Jennifer Kesse /// 362 /// 363 /// 364 /// 365

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  • Not to be annoying
    Not to be annoying California
    FYI, Versailles is pronounced verSIGH https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9RR7uHyEyFQ

    FYI, Versailles is pronounced verSIGH https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9RR7uHyEyFQ

  • Jen
    Jen Iowa
    Are you guys going to do a follow up regarding the April Tinsley case or did I just miss it? I saw somewhere that they had found the guy.

    Are you guys going to do a follow up regarding the April Tinsley case or did I just miss it? I saw somewhere that they had found the guy.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Jen • Iowa Talked about that on OFF THE RECORD. Cheers Captain

    Jen • Iowa

    Talked about that on OFF THE RECORD. Cheers

    Captain

  • Julie
    Julie Kansas
    You guys gotta stop! I busted out laughing, at work, when the Colonel called the Captain Dennis Celery.

    You guys gotta stop! I busted out laughing, at work, when the Colonel called the Captain Dennis Celery.

  • Matt
    Matt Northern Virginia
    You mentioned the neighboring condo being empty. Has anyone explored if someone in that condo could have heard the plumbing fixtures in Jennifer's condo? For example, I can hear my neighbor's plumbing sometimes. Is it possible that someone could have detected Jennifer taking a shower and known that this would be when she was vulnerable and/or exiting her condo soon thereafter? Regarding the pronunciation of Versailles, I am cutting Nic some slack on this one. He can't help that he lives in Ohio where there is a town named Versailles that is mispronounced. My father grew up in a village in Ohio that is similarly mispronounced.

    You mentioned the neighboring condo being empty. Has anyone explored if someone in that condo could have heard the plumbing fixtures in Jennifer's condo? For example, I can hear my neighbor's plumbing sometimes. Is it possible that someone could have detected Jennifer taking a shower and known that this would be when she was vulnerable and/or exiting her condo soon thereafter?

    Regarding the pronunciation of Versailles, I am cutting Nic some slack on this one. He can't help that he lives in Ohio where there is a town named Versailles that is mispronounced. My father grew up in a village in Ohio that is similarly mispronounced.

  • Jaime
    Jaime PU
    It makes sense to me that if the person of interest has to walk back to the condo that he would park her car relatively close, hence ;) a faster walk back for a few reasons. If he's working there he doesn't want to be missed for too long, or he doesn't want his own vehicle to be noticed where it's not supposed to be or clean up evidence, or get her off property who knows but I do think he wanted a quick walk back to her condo.

    It makes sense to me that if the person of interest has to walk back to the condo that he would park her car relatively close, hence wink a faster walk back for a few reasons. If he's working there he doesn't want to be missed for too long, or he doesn't want his own vehicle to be noticed where it's not supposed to be or clean up evidence, or get her off property who knows but I do think he wanted a quick walk back to her condo.

  • Sammie
    Sammie Louisville Ky
    Yes if you're from the south it's pronounced " Ver sales". Honey you're out of your dialect!

    Yes if you're from the south it's pronounced " Ver sales". Honey you're out of your dialect!

  • Kelly
    Kelly Los Angeles, CA
    If she brought her briefcase into her condo the night before she disappeared then was abducted on her way to her car and pulled into an empty apartment it would make sense why the briefcase, phones, keys and purse were not found as those items were with her and would have been disposed of with her body (sorry for being blunt but I think she is deceased). Then yes it would make sense to take her keys and to throw the cops off move the car. But I cannot get past the phone pinging situation and the phones being turned off the night before which makes me think it happened at night. I know her parents do not think she would have left at night and really disregard many things the police say but in some ways, like most parents, I think they have rose colored glasses on with regards to their kid. I used to think night time abduction due to the phone situation, like she went to meet up with someone, something happened and she was killed. In that scenario the person who moved her car may not have been the person who killed her. It could be that the POI was told to leave her car back at her complex but got lost and left it at the wrong place. They could have been acting for someone else or been hired to move a car ask no questions and do not want to come forward. Maybe they are wearing a hairnet? Anyways, super creepy and interesting case, I listened to the podcast focused on her case as well. Great job so far!

    If she brought her briefcase into her condo the night before she disappeared then was abducted on her way to her car and pulled into an empty apartment it would make sense why the briefcase, phones, keys and purse were not found as those items were with her and would have been disposed of with her body (sorry for being blunt but I think she is deceased). Then yes it would make sense to take her keys and to throw the cops off move the car. But I cannot get past the phone pinging situation and the phones being turned off the night before which makes me think it happened at night. I know her parents do not think she would have left at night and really disregard many things the police say but in some ways, like most parents, I think they have rose colored glasses on with regards to their kid. I used to think night time abduction due to the phone situation, like she went to meet up with someone, something happened and she was killed. In that scenario the person who moved her car may not have been the person who killed her. It could be that the POI was told to leave her car back at her complex but got lost and left it at the wrong place. They could have been acting for someone else or been hired to move a car ask no questions and do not want to come forward. Maybe they are wearing a hairnet? Anyways, super creepy and interesting case, I listened to the podcast focused on her case as well. Great job so far!

  • Matt
    Matt Michigan
    It looks like to me, from the pictures, that the person of interest is wearing a duck billed hat backwards which from what I remember was kinda popular to do at the time.

    It looks like to me, from the pictures, that the person of interest is wearing a duck billed hat backwards which from what I remember was kinda popular to do at the time.

  • Matt
    Matt Michigan
    It looks like to me, from the pictures, that the person of interest is wearing a duck billed hat backwards which from what I remember was kinda popular to do at the time.

    It looks like to me, from the pictures, that the person of interest is wearing a duck billed hat backwards which from what I remember was kinda popular to do at the time.

  • Justin
    Justin Boston
    Great episode. I think the perp was a worker, looks like a painter outfit from the surveillance photo. The outfit clearly contrasts with the dark fence and pavement beyond so I don’t buy it being washed out.

    Great episode. I think the perp was a worker, looks like a painter outfit from the surveillance photo. The outfit clearly contrasts with the dark fence and pavement beyond so I don’t buy it being washed out.

  •  burunchik
    burunchik
    I’ve just finished listening to episode 2 and what caught my attention is the part where Nic lists items found in Jennifer’s car: “ Cell phone car charger unplugged and wrapped around gear shift”. I wondered if this was something of a habit of Jennifer’s: she gets in her car, plugs her cell to charge, gets to her destination, unplugs the cell and wraps the charger around the shift gear before leaving the car. If that’s the case, that may mean that she drove to Hungtinton Beach apartment complex willingly and may have gone missing from there. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

    I’ve just finished listening to episode 2 and what caught my attention is the part where Nic lists items found in Jennifer’s car: “ Cell phone car charger unplugged and wrapped around gear shift”. I wondered if this was something of a habit of Jennifer’s: she gets in her car, plugs her cell to charge, gets to her destination, unplugs the cell and wraps the charger around the shift gear before leaving the car. If that’s the case, that may mean that she drove to Hungtinton Beach apartment complex willingly and may have gone missing from there. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

  • Madi
    Madi Pittsburgh
    My thought on the guys/girls height...if they put agents/officers in front of the camera to determine color changes, wouldn't that experiment also help them determine the height? You would think they could compare photos they took to the suspects photo and at least get a more narrowed down range? I'm very curious to hear more!

    My thought on the guys/girls height...if they put agents/officers in front of the camera to determine color changes, wouldn't that experiment also help them determine the height? You would think they could compare photos they took to the suspects photo and at least get a more narrowed down range?
    I'm very curious to hear more!

  • Robin
    Robin IN
    The family said they checked the condo directly across from Jennifer's and found it A.) unlocked and B.) without carpet. That must have been something that really stood out to them at the time for them to even make note of that and tell the police that. If she was grabbed as she was leaving for work by a worker that was lying in wait for her, what's to say the POI didn't grab her and bring her into the empty condo, assault/murder her and roll her up in the missing carpet. If they have access to a work truck or construction dumpsters(since the condos where all under construction at the time) then it wouldn't be that odd of a scene for someone to be discarding "old" carpet to make way for new carpet. Maybe the POI wanting to cover his/her tracks takes the car and parks it elsewhere so that it looks as if she left on her own for work, and then the POI comes back to take the rolled up carpet to dispose of it in a work truck, moving the body off site or in a construction dumpster on site which could be why the dog tracked the POI back to the condo steps. Perhaps even the POI had the intentions of coming back to her condo but finding that her family and police and the condo manager was already there investigating things. I've always believed that the POI was someone who worked at the complex and was maybe someone who watched her come and go for some time learning her routine before finally acting on it.

    The family said they checked the condo directly across from Jennifer's and found it A.) unlocked and B.) without carpet. That must have been something that really stood out to them at the time for them to even make note of that and tell the police that. If she was grabbed as she was leaving for work by a worker that was lying in wait for her, what's to say the POI didn't grab her and bring her into the empty condo, assault/murder her and roll her up in the missing carpet. If they have access to a work truck or construction dumpsters(since the condos where all under construction at the time) then it wouldn't be that odd of a scene for someone to be discarding "old" carpet to make way for new carpet. Maybe the POI wanting to cover his/her tracks takes the car and parks it elsewhere so that it looks as if she left on her own for work, and then the POI comes back to take the rolled up carpet to dispose of it in a work truck, moving the body off site or in a construction dumpster on site which could be why the dog tracked the POI back to the condo steps. Perhaps even the POI had the intentions of coming back to her condo but finding that her family and police and the condo manager was already there investigating things.

    I've always believed that the POI was someone who worked at the complex and was maybe someone who watched her come and go for some time learning her routine before finally acting on it.

  • Tpop
    Tpop Florida
    At first glance the person in the video looks like someone in a uniform. The pants look to be khakis and the shoes are black work shoes like the ones worn in restaurants. Based on stature, I would say it is a female.

    At first glance the person in the video looks like someone in a uniform. The pants look to be khakis and the shoes are black work shoes like the ones worn in restaurants. Based on stature, I would say it is a female.

  • Mike
    Mike Ohio
    Hi Nick and Captain very good episodes very informative I have followed this case closely and have listened to unconcluded. While I enjoyed the podcast unfortunately I think a lot of podcasts continue to put out the narrative that this was a morning abduction. Unfortunately that is the narrative that the Kesses have pushed from the beginning and it might have hurt the case in the long run a bit. Because almost every podcast follows their lead with the morning abduction theory based off of wet towels supposedly and clothes being out. Unconcluded it is by far probably the podcast that has put the most time and effort into the case because it's solely focused on Jennifer's case. If you listen to their most recent episode the host Sean and his Cohost partner Scott both feel this was a nighttime abduction that went into the morning and they landed on that with a lot of research and soul-searching they said. From what they have said the phone pings seems to be the most solid evidence and if both of those phones were off at night through the morning that doesn't seem like something Jennifer would do being a businesswoman and having morning meetings and speaking to her boyfriend every morning. Also this has none of the elements of a morning abduction take Jodi huisentruit for example that was a morning abduction and people heard screams and her things were thrown all over the parking lot and that was a few hours earlier in the morning. Whereas in Jennifer's case at 8 a.m. supposedly she was abducted and nobody heard anything and it all went smoothly I doubt that. This case screams that Jennifer went out to her car for whatever reason maybe just to put the cell phone in there of her brother's friend or work stuff or even the dump the trash. The workers living in the complex then saw her and abducted her. The other possibility would be Jennifer left to go somewhere for whatever reason and was abducted late at night but that doesn't seem the most plausible unless by some odd chance she went to FedEx the phone late at night I doubt it or she was meeting somebody that night for whatever reason but that doesn't seem overly plausible unless she had something going on nobody else knew about You can go back and forth on all the suspects and it comes back to the coworkers. The only people that gain an advantage from moving her car are the coworkers because finding her car in the parking lot of another complex starts the investigation away from Jennifer's complex. If it was someone who wasn't a worker they would leave Jennifer's car there's no reason to take it by leaving the car there it would focus the initial investigation on the co-workers in the complex and not them. Also the surveillance video is most likely the abductor or at least one of them why take the risk if you aren't he probably parked that car and walked right back to work at Jennifer's complex. Then once the s*** hit the fan they quit the job and went back to their home country or somewhere else in America because most likely it's an undocumented person because there has been absolutely no leads all these years because the person is a ghost. I know the Kesses are steadfast in their belief and theories which they have every right to be but unfortunately putting out that theory with a steadfast belief and criticism of Orlando Police that spills over into podcasting media coverage of the case and possibly it is putting out a false narrative. I'm glad Sean and Scott have stuck to their belief of what they think happened because at least everyone who listens to unconcluded will hear a different side of what potentially could have happened. Love the show keep up the good work

    Hi Nick and Captain very good episodes very informative I have followed this case closely and have listened to unconcluded. While I enjoyed the podcast unfortunately I think a lot of podcasts continue to put out the narrative that this was a morning abduction. Unfortunately that is the narrative that the Kesses have pushed from the beginning and it might have hurt the case in the long run a bit. Because almost every podcast follows their lead with the morning abduction theory based off of wet towels supposedly and clothes being out. Unconcluded it is by far probably the podcast that has put the most time and effort into the case because it's solely focused on Jennifer's case. If you listen to their most recent episode the host Sean and his Cohost partner Scott both feel this was a nighttime abduction that went into the morning and they landed on that with a lot of research and soul-searching they said. From what they have said the phone pings seems to be the most solid evidence and if both of those phones were off at night through the morning that doesn't seem like something Jennifer would do being a businesswoman and having morning meetings and speaking to her boyfriend every morning. Also this has none of the elements of a morning abduction take Jodi huisentruit for example that was a morning abduction and people heard screams and her things were thrown all over the parking lot and that was a few hours earlier in the morning. Whereas in Jennifer's case at 8 a.m. supposedly she was abducted and nobody heard anything and it all went smoothly I doubt that. This case screams that Jennifer went out to her car for whatever reason maybe just to put the cell phone in there of her brother's friend or work stuff or even the dump the trash. The workers living in the complex then saw her and abducted her. The other possibility would be Jennifer left to go somewhere for whatever reason and was abducted late at night but that doesn't seem the most plausible unless by some odd chance she went to FedEx the phone late at night I doubt it or she was meeting somebody that night for whatever reason but that doesn't seem overly plausible unless she had something going on nobody else knew about You can go back and forth on all the suspects and it comes back to the coworkers. The only people that gain an advantage from moving her car are the coworkers because finding her car in the parking lot of another complex starts the investigation away from Jennifer's complex. If it was someone who wasn't a worker they would leave Jennifer's car there's no reason to take it by leaving the car there it would focus the initial investigation on the co-workers in the complex and not them. Also the surveillance video is most likely the abductor or at least one of them why take the risk if you aren't he probably parked that car and walked right back to work at Jennifer's complex. Then once the s*** hit the fan they quit the job and went back to their home country or somewhere else in America because most likely it's an undocumented person because there has been absolutely no leads all these years because the person is a ghost. I know the Kesses are steadfast in their belief and theories which they have every right to be but unfortunately putting out that theory with a steadfast belief and criticism of Orlando Police that spills over into podcasting media coverage of the case and possibly it is putting out a false narrative. I'm glad Sean and Scott have stuck to their belief of what they think happened because at least everyone who listens to unconcluded will hear a different side of what potentially could have happened. Love the show keep up the good work

  • Tpop
    Tpop Florida
    Ps the pants look high-wasted, also makes me think it is a women.

    Ps the pants look high-wasted, also makes me think it is a women.

  • Shannon
    Shannon WA
    Great listening. I enjoy you guys. Regarding Jen Kesse, I think person of interest is wearing a hat with brim. Young maybe 20 male. Maybe 5' 8". I think she was abducted coming out of her condo. Maybe taken into one of vacate condos. I think there might be someone else involved. I hope this Can be solved. Its been a long time and they are still out there.

    Great listening. I enjoy you guys. Regarding Jen Kesse, I think person of interest is wearing a hat with brim. Young maybe 20 male. Maybe 5' 8". I think she was abducted coming out of her condo. Maybe taken into one of vacate condos. I think there might be someone else involved. I hope this Can be solved. Its been a long time and they are still out there.

  • Slatts McCracker
    Slatts McCracker Australia
    The Video, The Car and the POIs height. -The FBI est the height at 5.3 - 5.5, but -The boyfriend noted the car seat pushed back further than normal -Jennifer was 5.7 -doesn’t that mean that the POI (assuming they are the one who parked the car) is higher than 5.7

    The Video, The Car and the POIs height.

    -The FBI est the height at 5.3 - 5.5, but
    -The boyfriend noted the car seat pushed back further than normal
    -Jennifer was 5.7
    -doesn’t that mean that the POI (assuming they are the one who parked the car) is higher than 5.7

  • Amanda
    Amanda Maryland
    Man I wish those photos had better quality. If all my true crime listening has taught me anything, it's that security cameras need a major overhaul all over the country. As for the color of the clothing, I just found this really interesting article where a guy's pink outfit looked white on black-and-white surveillance footage: https://crimesquid.com/2017/08/21/the-jennifer-kesse-suspect-probably-wasnt-wearing-a-white-shirt-and-khakis/ I imagine the person knew where Jennifer lived and probably parked the car elsewhere because he figured people might recognize her car and notice someone getting out of it who wasn't Jennifer; or that they would see her car parked during the day when she's normally at work and it would raise suspicion sooner. I want to give a little plug for one of your sponsors... I've been using Better Help for about a month, and I'm very happy with it so far! It asks you not only for what issues you need help with, but also if you have any preferences regarding your therapist-- male, female, gay, straight, black, white, religious, etc. I was paired with a therapist very quickly and am finding it very helpful!

    Man I wish those photos had better quality. If all my true crime listening has taught me anything, it's that security cameras need a major overhaul all over the country.

    As for the color of the clothing, I just found this really interesting article where a guy's pink outfit looked white on black-and-white surveillance footage: https://crimesquid.com/2017/08/21/the-jennifer-kesse-suspect-probably-wasnt-wearing-a-white-shirt-and-khakis/

    I imagine the person knew where Jennifer lived and probably parked the car elsewhere because he figured people might recognize her car and notice someone getting out of it who wasn't Jennifer; or that they would see her car parked during the day when she's normally at work and it would raise suspicion sooner.

    I want to give a little plug for one of your sponsors... I've been using Better Help for about a month, and I'm very happy with it so far! It asks you not only for what issues you need help with, but also if you have any preferences regarding your therapist-- male, female, gay, straight, black, white, religious, etc. I was paired with a therapist very quickly and am finding it very helpful!

  • Pams
    Pams Parts Unkown
    Love the podcast! Just have one request: could you also add the photos and videos to the cases to the blog? I'm not on facebook or instagram :(

    Love the podcast!
    Just have one request: could you also add the photos and videos to the cases to the blog? I'm not on facebook or instagram frown

  • Jody
    Jody MO
    For the video of the person of interest, is there anyone capable of stitching the walking subject together into one still image? It would still be missing the head and probably have the bars from the fence, but it might give a clearer overall picture. Watching the video, I get the impression that it is a young man, the pants may have just not fit well and the shoes, there is something about those shoes, do they look like black high-tops or maybe Van's or Dickies type shoes? This person was extremely lucky with the camera and fence.

    For the video of the person of interest, is there anyone capable of stitching the walking subject together into one still image? It would still be missing the head and probably have the bars from the fence, but it might give a clearer overall picture.
    Watching the video, I get the impression that it is a young man, the pants may have just not fit well and the shoes, there is something about those shoes, do they look like black high-tops or maybe Van's or Dickies type shoes?
    This person was extremely lucky with the camera and fence.

  • Sabrina
    Sabrina Tampa, FL
    I also wonder on the nighttime vs AM abduction, as I live in the northern suburbs of Tampa Fl, and it is now January like it was January in Orlando FL. Yesterday I got home and at 7pm, my husbands towel that he used at 6 am I hung over our garden tub to dry before putting in dirty clothes, and when I got home at 7 pm, it was still wet. And in fact this AM, it was still damp so I still could not put it in dirty towels pile (I dont like putting wet towels in a dirty towels pile). I never believed the AM Shower based on the towel being wet, and the shower wet for that matter. this is Florida, and currently today, it will be nearly 80, and humidity coming in tonight and will be here all week next week. Some January's it is cold, some it is hot and humid. So it would depend on the weather that day exactly, but the towel being wet at 3 pm, does not necessarily mean the shower happened that AM. Other part I don't get, the alligator pumps are missing, but the clothes she put out for work are on the bed? so she was walking around the apartment wearing the pumps but not her work outfit? For all we know the AM abduction could be it, but I don't see it based on the towel being wet, or based on her mom saying she would NEVER shower at night, what if she did shower at night but was still abducted at night? I did listen to some of the Unconcluded, and I think it has never been said by police when the phone was powered down, it has been assumed it was a night, but never actually said. I believe her mom confirmed that. Some other things I wanted to mention, yes Jennifer apparently watched Law and Order and knew to crash the car if being highjacked, she knew to kick out the taillights in a trunk, but all of us that know these things and mentally prepare in our heads what to do if we got abducted, all of this probably goes out the window when the abduction really happens. When you are truly put in a situation, you probably react differently than your mom thinks you will, or that you have been taught, or have rehearsed in your head. if you are grabbed and rendered unconscious, or surprise attacked, you may not be able to react the way you are taught. And also, just cause some men whistle at you, tell you you look good, and stare at you, doesn't mean they kill you either. The facts of this case is that nobody knows who did this other than the people or person who did it, or what happened to Jennifer, and with no proof at all, you can't blame the workers. I don't understand not being able to question the workers cause of the language barrier, if you want to question them cause you believe it is necessary, then bring them down to the station and have a translator. I don't know what to say about this case, did anyone ever look into any employees of the apartment complex where the pool was at and the car dropped off? what if the POI worked there and knew how he had to walk to not be seen? or he knew someone that worked there and knew how the camera there worked?

    I also wonder on the nighttime vs AM abduction, as I live in the northern suburbs of Tampa Fl, and it is now January like it was January in Orlando FL. Yesterday I got home and at 7pm, my husbands towel that he used at 6 am I hung over our garden tub to dry before putting in dirty clothes, and when I got home at 7 pm, it was still wet. And in fact this AM, it was still damp so I still could not put it in dirty towels pile (I dont like putting wet towels in a dirty towels pile). I never believed the AM Shower based on the towel being wet, and the shower wet for that matter. this is Florida, and currently today, it will be nearly 80, and humidity coming in tonight and will be here all week next week. Some January's it is cold, some it is hot and humid. So it would depend on the weather that day exactly, but the towel being wet at 3 pm, does not necessarily mean the shower happened that AM.

    Other part I don't get, the alligator pumps are missing, but the clothes she put out for work are on the bed? so she was walking around the apartment wearing the pumps but not her work outfit?

    For all we know the AM abduction could be it, but I don't see it based on the towel being wet, or based on her mom saying she would NEVER shower at night, what if she did shower at night but was still abducted at night?

    I did listen to some of the Unconcluded, and I think it has never been said by police when the phone was powered down, it has been assumed it was a night, but never actually said. I believe her mom confirmed that.

    Some other things I wanted to mention, yes Jennifer apparently watched Law and Order and knew to crash the car if being highjacked, she knew to kick out the taillights in a trunk, but all of us that know these things and mentally prepare in our heads what to do if we got abducted, all of this probably goes out the window when the abduction really happens. When you are truly put in a situation, you probably react differently than your mom thinks you will, or that you have been taught, or have rehearsed in your head. if you are grabbed and rendered unconscious, or surprise attacked, you may not be able to react the way you are taught.

    And also, just cause some men whistle at you, tell you you look good, and stare at you, doesn't mean they kill you either. The facts of this case is that nobody knows who did this other than the people or person who did it, or what happened to Jennifer, and with no proof at all, you can't blame the workers. I don't understand not being able to question the workers cause of the language barrier, if you want to question them cause you believe it is necessary, then bring them down to the station and have a translator.

    I don't know what to say about this case, did anyone ever look into any employees of the apartment complex where the pool was at and the car dropped off? what if the POI worked there and knew how he had to walk to not be seen? or he knew someone that worked there and knew how the camera there worked?

  • Sabrina
    Sabrina Tampa, FL
    I'm back again, ok the Unconcluded Podcast makes me a little mad. Just because the world, or the family or people interested in true crime think someone is a suspect, an ex boyfriend, or whomever, and they don't make a statement publicly, DOES NOT mean they are guilty. It also does not make them a bad person. It makes them human. I know that there are amateur's arm chair detectives out there investigating, but you are not the police, and if any person doesn't want to speak to you about a deceased person, it does not make them guilty. I can only imagine what it is like to be an associate of someone who is murdered, but then to be questioned, not even by the people investigating, but to be questioned and constantly being said that because they wont speak publicly they have something to hide. No, maybe they didn't do anything and they don't want to talk about it, with just random people doing a podcast, with random people on the internet asking them to talk about it. Once again, the police or investigators must have got what they needed from the people and although haven't cleared anyone, aren't labeling them suspects or POI's. Saying they owe it to Jennifer to talk, is simply not true and just wrong. I have not committed crimes or things I need an attorney for, but I can tell you that I would not speak to anyone about anything without a lawyer, especially if I didn't do it. Does not make me guilty, I have watched so many shows/cases where the people just talk and say things, no, no, no, get an attorney all the time. Especially if you didn't do it!!!!!! The fact of this case, we have nothing to go on other than POI video and unless someone talks, it does no good to accuse people or make statements that they need to talk for Jennifer.

    I'm back again, ok the Unconcluded Podcast makes me a little mad. Just because the world, or the family or people interested in true crime think someone is a suspect, an ex boyfriend, or whomever, and they don't make a statement publicly, DOES NOT mean they are guilty. It also does not make them a bad person. It makes them human. I know that there are amateur's arm chair detectives out there investigating, but you are not the police, and if any person doesn't want to speak to you about a deceased person, it does not make them guilty.
    I can only imagine what it is like to be an associate of someone who is murdered, but then to be questioned, not even by the people investigating, but to be questioned and constantly being said that because they wont speak publicly they have something to hide. No, maybe they didn't do anything and they don't want to talk about it, with just random people doing a podcast, with random people on the internet asking them to talk about it. Once again, the police or investigators must have got what they needed from the people and although haven't cleared anyone, aren't labeling them suspects or POI's. Saying they owe it to Jennifer to talk, is simply not true and just wrong.

    I have not committed crimes or things I need an attorney for, but I can tell you that I would not speak to anyone about anything without a lawyer, especially if I didn't do it. Does not make me guilty, I have watched so many shows/cases where the people just talk and say things, no, no, no, get an attorney all the time. Especially if you didn't do it!!!!!!

    The fact of this case, we have nothing to go on other than POI video and unless someone talks, it does no good to accuse people or make statements that they need to talk for Jennifer.

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca NC
    I am with Robin in IN on this one. I theorize more than one worker approaching Jennifer early in the morning as she made her way to her car for work. I don't think she ever made it to her car. Instead, they took her into an empty condo to rape and murder her. I suspect she and her personal belongings (purse and cell phone) were disposed of as Robin suggested. As for her car, I think a worker took advantage of having access to her car before they would think anyone would realize she was missing. He probably didn't have a car. He couldn't risk being seen returning it, but he needed to get as close as he could back to his place of employment.

    I am with Robin in IN on this one. I theorize more than one worker approaching Jennifer early in the morning as she made her way to her car for work. I don't think she ever made it to her car. Instead, they took her into an empty condo to rape and murder her. I suspect she and her personal belongings (purse and cell phone) were disposed of as Robin suggested. As for her car, I think a worker took advantage of having access to her car before they would think anyone would realize she was missing. He probably didn't have a car. He couldn't risk being seen returning it, but he needed to get as close as he could back to his place of employment.

  • Shawna
    Shawna AZ
    I’m 47. I’m a successful single professional woman. My parents are my emergency contact. If I no call/no show my company would call my parents too.

    I’m 47. I’m a successful single professional woman. My parents are my emergency contact. If I no call/no show my company would call my parents too.

  • Shawna
    Shawna AZ
    Has the brother's friend been completely cleared? It's my understanding that he was still in love with Jennifer and that he had stayed at her condo with the brother. Additionally, 20 somethings never leave anywhere without their phones, unless they use it a bait-a reason to re-connect. I wonder if the brother's friend learned from the brother that Jennifer was frustrated in her relationship. She trusted him and would have let him into her apartment. Something went awry, one thing leads to another. Given that the condo is 1 mile away from a "seedy" neighborhood and given that undocumented workers are all over the place, he could have easily left her car with the keys in it and let someone take it. I think it's equally as likely that whoever stole it (unrelated to the murder) realized that the car was part of a missing person case and simply put it back. Curious if anyone knows about the brother's friend. Also-was his work phone, the one he left at Jennifer's apartment that she was going to ship to him, was that phone ever pinged over the hours leading up to her disappearance?

    Has the brother's friend been completely cleared? It's my understanding that he was still in love with Jennifer and that he had stayed at her condo with the brother. Additionally, 20 somethings never leave anywhere without their phones, unless they use it a bait-a reason to re-connect. I wonder if the brother's friend learned from the brother that Jennifer was frustrated in her relationship. She trusted him and would have let him into her apartment. Something went awry, one thing leads to another. Given that the condo is 1 mile away from a "seedy" neighborhood and given that undocumented workers are all over the place, he could have easily left her car with the keys in it and let someone take it. I think it's equally as likely that whoever stole it (unrelated to the murder) realized that the car was part of a missing person case and simply put it back. Curious if anyone knows about the brother's friend. Also-was his work phone, the one he left at Jennifer's apartment that she was going to ship to him, was that phone ever pinged over the hours leading up to her disappearance?

  • mG
    mG
    I cannot imagine a more dangerous environment than what that complex allowed. Undocumented workers being allowed to roam the facility and flop where they would like. No doubt she was raped and murdered by worker(s) and her body smuggled out in a tarp and transported by a work van to a swamp. No way this is ever solved. The parents should sue for a billion. This is so Florida.

    I cannot imagine a more dangerous environment than what that complex allowed. Undocumented workers being allowed to roam the facility and flop where they would like. No doubt she was raped and murdered by worker(s) and her body smuggled out in a tarp and transported by a work van to a swamp. No way this is ever solved. The parents should sue for a billion. This is so Florida.

  • Mon
    Mon York
    It seems so planned and premeditated... the culprit "detached", calm and collected in a way... gosh, I wonder - if this kidnapping/murder was ordered by someone else?

    It seems so planned and premeditated... the culprit "detached", calm and collected in a way... gosh, I wonder - if this kidnapping/murder was ordered by someone else?

  • BD
    BD AZ
    I strongly believe that's a young man with an old school haircut and outfit in the surveillance video--sort of like a young Hugh Grant look. The nineties weren't too far from '06 so this individual could have definitely still been influenced by that era. That's what I see at least. I think leaving the car there was intended to create some kind of diversion. What a tragic and frustrating case. I hope there is justice for Jennifer and her family.

    I strongly believe that's a young man with an old school haircut and outfit in the surveillance video--sort of like a young Hugh Grant look. The nineties weren't too far from '06 so this individual could have definitely still been influenced by that era. That's what I see at least. I think leaving the car there was intended to create some kind of diversion. What a tragic and frustrating case. I hope there is justice for Jennifer and her family.

  • G
    G Canada 🇨🇦
    A ruse like someone knocks on her door to say they hit her vehicle might

    A ruse like someone knocks on her door to say they hit her vehicle might

  • Barbara
    Barbara ME
    A quick comment on the man's medium sweater, as mentioned in the beginning of episode 3. I am a female and own many guys sweaters (that i sought out and purchased), I also wear a lot of my husbands sweaters for the reason Nic mentioned. I love the roominess and coziness of them. So yes, I don't think the medium man's sweater is a good enough reason to support the night time abduction theory.

    A quick comment on the man's medium sweater, as mentioned in the beginning of episode 3. I am a female and own many guys sweaters (that i sought out and purchased), I also wear a lot of my husbands sweaters for the reason Nic mentioned. I love the roominess and coziness of them.
    So yes, I don't think the medium man's sweater is a good enough reason to support the night time abduction theory.

  • Shannon
    Shannon AZ
    Listened to part 3. One thing is that back in 2006 there was fedex kinkos and depending on the location they were open 10pm or later. It would depend on if there was one in the area and what the hours were.

    Listened to part 3. One thing is that back in 2006 there was fedex kinkos and depending on the location they were open 10pm or later. It would depend on if there was one in the area and what the hours were.

  • AT
    AT East Coast
    Going back and listening to other TCG missing/abducted persons cases I’d truly love to hear “Nic’s Condo Safety Tips & Suggestions: what to look for and what to ask when apartment hunting for the first time”. Yes, the title is impossibly long, but it would be valuable for those leaving home for the first (or second) time or for people that just aren’t familiar with what to expect in a housing complex. Just an idea! Really like the series, as well as OTR!

    Going back and listening to other TCG missing/abducted persons cases I’d truly love to hear “Nic’s Condo Safety Tips & Suggestions: what to look for and what to ask when apartment hunting for the first time”. Yes, the title is impossibly long, but it would be valuable for those leaving home for the first (or second) time or for people that just aren’t familiar with what to expect in a housing complex. Just an idea! Really like the series, as well as OTR!

  • Jacqueline
    Jacqueline Lively Grove, Illinois
    I think it was a construction worker (or a couple of them) at her condo. And this is just a what if situation.. and I'm not sure what construction was being done.. but what if the worker abducted her at her car, maybe she never even left the condo. They took her to one of the rooms they either are staying in or they know that its unoccupied (remember the brother found the room across from Jennifer's to be unlocked and it was unfinished, so other unfinished rooms were probably open. ) and what if they hid her body in the wall of the unfinished room. And covered it up and put up the walls like it was a regular work day. Then they could have moved her car and walked back to work on their lunch hour...

    I think it was a construction worker (or a couple of them) at her condo. And this is just a what if situation.. and I'm not sure what construction was being done.. but what if the worker abducted her at her car, maybe she never even left the condo. They took her to one of the rooms they either are staying in or they know that its unoccupied (remember the brother found the room across from Jennifer's to be unlocked and it was unfinished, so other unfinished rooms were probably open. ) and what if they hid her body in the wall of the unfinished room. And covered it up and put up the walls like it was a regular work day. Then they could have moved her car and walked back to work on their lunch hour...

  • Amanda
    Amanda Maryland
    I definitely lean towards it being one of the workers at the condo. They were flirting with her, and probably got an idea of her routine. And since many of them were undocumented, I imagine the police have never been able to properly interview any of them to determine one way or another if they should be suspects. It would make sense that the dog followed the scent back to her building, if the guy was going back to work afterwards. I feel like the police would have much more to go on if they'd been able to interview those guys. Did anyone who knew her have a good idea of her morning routine? You said there were a couple of outfits left out, and I believe you said there were some cosmetics out in the bathroom. Was it normal for her to leave for work without having put things away? That may help give an idea of her morning was interrupted, or if she left in a hurry or something. I feel so bad for her... it sounds like she was constantly being stalked and hit on.

    I definitely lean towards it being one of the workers at the condo. They were flirting with her, and probably got an idea of her routine. And since many of them were undocumented, I imagine the police have never been able to properly interview any of them to determine one way or another if they should be suspects. It would make sense that the dog followed the scent back to her building, if the guy was going back to work afterwards. I feel like the police would have much more to go on if they'd been able to interview those guys.

    Did anyone who knew her have a good idea of her morning routine? You said there were a couple of outfits left out, and I believe you said there were some cosmetics out in the bathroom. Was it normal for her to leave for work without having put things away? That may help give an idea of her morning was interrupted, or if she left in a hurry or something.

    I feel so bad for her... it sounds like she was constantly being stalked and hit on.

  • Kaia
    Kaia Up North
    Is it possible her ex left his phone at her place on purpose and showed up at her place that evening? She probably wouldn't have wanted to mention it to her boyfriend while she was talking to him. Possible But I think she went missing the next morning. She hadn't unpacked her bags, but she unpacked her makeup. It was on the counter. She wasn't re-applying makeup at night after getting home from work. You apply in the morning before work. If her condo was as empty as they say, she could have screamed and nobody heard.

    Is it possible her ex left his phone at her place on purpose and showed up at her place that evening? She probably wouldn't have wanted to mention it to her boyfriend while she was talking to him.
    Possible
    But I think she went missing the next morning. She hadn't unpacked her bags, but she unpacked her makeup. It was on the counter. She wasn't re-applying makeup at night after getting home from work. You apply in the morning before work.
    If her condo was as empty as they say, she could have screamed and nobody heard.

  • Katie
    Katie Maryland
    You guys did an excellent job covering this case. It's fascinating and yet very sad. I hope the family gets answers someday.

    You guys did an excellent job covering this case. It's fascinating and yet very sad. I hope the family gets answers someday.

  • Jay Mar
    Jay Mar OH
    Hi, I have two theories. The first is she was taken at night for some purpose. Taking her in the morning would not provide enough time to clean/dispose of a crime scene. The person could of been returning to work in the morning. If she was taken during the morning. I don't believe she ever left the complex and one day she will be found in it's vicinity or actual location.

    Hi,
    I have two theories. The first is she was taken at night for some purpose. Taking her in the morning would not provide enough time to clean/dispose of a crime scene. The person could of been returning to work in the morning. If she was taken during the morning. I don't believe she ever left the complex and one day she will be found in it's vicinity or actual location.

  • luckynsincere
    luckynsincere NC
    I think this case is so terribly sad. There is someone - somewhere with the answers needed to solve this case. I do feel that this happened at her building, whether inside or near her vehicle - I also think it is linked to the apartment complex. I think the car was moved to elude, and the perp returned on foot back to the apartment complex where Jennifer resided. I am, as former law enforcement, confused as to why the police never searched not only Jennifer's apartment, but more thoroughly searched the complex? I just feel that Jennifer was way too vigilant and prepared for her to have been abducted without a vicious fight. This was drilled into her head, and from all accounts she was very conscience of her surroundings. The entire case seems like a series of the most unfortunate circumstances - anything that could have went wrong, or hindered the case -- - it happened. The cell tower being down, the surveillance camera being of very low quality, the way the photos on said camera snapped at each moment the perp's face was hidden, the slack security measures at the apartment complex, the retirement of involved detectives.... It just seems tragic that all of these events make it unusually difficult to solve. Thanks guys for the wonderful coverage of this case!! It has been one of the most perplex cases I have ever looked into -

    I think this case is so terribly sad. There is someone - somewhere with the answers needed to solve this case. I do feel that this happened at her building, whether inside or near her vehicle - I also think it is linked to the apartment complex. I think the car was moved to elude, and the perp returned on foot back to the apartment complex where Jennifer resided. I am, as former law enforcement, confused as to why the police never searched not only Jennifer's apartment, but more thoroughly searched the complex? I just feel that Jennifer was way too vigilant and prepared for her to have been abducted without a vicious fight. This was drilled into her head, and from all accounts she was very conscience of her surroundings. The entire case seems like a series of the most unfortunate circumstances - anything that could have went wrong, or hindered the case -- - it happened. The cell tower being down, the surveillance camera being of very low quality, the way the photos on said camera snapped at each moment the perp's face was hidden, the slack security measures at the apartment complex, the retirement of involved detectives.... It just seems tragic that all of these events make it unusually difficult to solve.

    Thanks guys for the wonderful coverage of this case!! It has been one of the most perplex cases I have ever looked into -

  • Jennie
    Jennie Canada
    I’ve worked as a painter for many years for contractors similiar to the one that built Jen’s condo. It is common place for trades people, especially painters to be offered to stay onsite while working. There is immense time crunch pressures put on trades people so this makes sense. According to the demographics I have observed in this trade particularly I believe she was being stalked for some time and was probably tricked by a familiar face on the jobsite. The person in the video is wearing the typical painter work clothes: dickies painter pants and a white T-shirt.. check out what the local paintshops ie; Dulux give their account holders (paining companies) to wear. In my opinion, researching local paint suppliers would be a great place to start!

    I’ve worked as a painter for many years for contractors similiar to the one that built Jen’s condo. It is common place for trades people, especially painters to be offered to stay onsite while working. There is immense time crunch pressures put on trades people so this makes sense. According to the demographics I have observed in this trade particularly I believe she was being stalked for some time and was probably tricked by a familiar face on the jobsite. The person in the video is wearing the typical painter work clothes: dickies painter pants and a white T-shirt.. check out what the local paintshops ie; Dulux give their account holders (paining companies) to wear. In my opinion, researching local paint suppliers would be a great place to start!

  • H Smith
    H Smith Brevard county, FL
    I live an hour from where Jennifer lived, as well as frequent the mall close to her condo. It is entirely possible that the POI is an undocumented worker, many men from Mexico and South America are of a shorter stature. My husband works in construction all over FL, and frequently in Orlando, and he has worked with many men from Mexico, Bolivia, Guatemala, and many are shorter than the US average. The construction industry in FL is rife with illegal aliens, especially in Orlando. The POI looks very much like a man in drywall or painter's typical clothing, and it is quite easy for them to be invisible. I don't mean that offensively, but they live under the radar, which makes it alot easier to get away with criminal activity.

    I live an hour from where Jennifer lived, as well as frequent the mall close to her condo. It is entirely possible that the POI is an undocumented worker, many men from Mexico and South America are of a shorter stature. My husband works in construction all over FL, and frequently in Orlando, and he has worked with many men from Mexico, Bolivia, Guatemala, and many are shorter than the US average. The construction industry in FL is rife with illegal aliens, especially in Orlando. The POI looks very much like a man in drywall or painter's typical clothing, and it is quite easy for them to be invisible. I don't mean that offensively, but they live under the radar, which makes it alot easier to get away with criminal activity.

  • I lean more toward the co-worker creep than I do an employee at the condos. I agree, the situation was not very safe at the condos but with her just recently telling her parents she was trying to politely turn down advances from this co-worker and all the other stuff with the fired subordinate, it's just too coincidental. He sounds like a jealous, possessive creep. He would be my #1 suspect in this case. We can all agree that when a woman is a victim of homicide, it is most often perpetrated by someone she knows. This person knew her schedule and she was familiar enough with them to probably not suspect that they were going to harm her which is why she left behind the pepper spray and possibly never even put up a fight. This case is terrifying! I hope the family finds justice soon.

    I lean more toward the co-worker creep than I do an employee at the condos. I agree, the situation was not very safe at the condos but with her just recently telling her parents she was trying to politely turn down advances from this co-worker and all the other stuff with the fired subordinate, it's just too coincidental. He sounds like a jealous, possessive creep. He would be my #1 suspect in this case. We can all agree that when a woman is a victim of homicide, it is most often perpetrated by someone she knows. This person knew her schedule and she was familiar enough with them to probably not suspect that they were going to harm her which is why she left behind the pepper spray and possibly never even put up a fight. This case is terrifying! I hope the family finds justice soon.

  • Jen
    Jen Minnesota
    Captain~ From what I have learned about dogs and their tracking nose they very well could have picked up a sent after just being in the car for 1.1 miles. We are very stinky to them. You have to think they can track a person walking in the open air for days and in some conditions weeks later. We are Sloughing off dead skin and our shoes have quite the sent to follow.

    Captain~

    From what I have learned about dogs and their tracking nose they very well could have picked up a sent after just being in the car for 1.1 miles. We are very stinky to them. You have to think they can track a person walking in the open air for days and in some conditions weeks later. We are Sloughing off dead skin and our shoes have quite the sent to follow.

  • Gio
    Gio UK
    Great episode but such a sad case. Weird realising I took a bus from the hotel to the Florida mall a few years back whilst on holiday in Orlando and the route was through Americana blvd and the area where this crime was committed. I wouldn't describe the area as particularly sketchy (at least based on my perception) but it definitely had a different vibe to International dr, not a place I'd want my gf to wonder around alone after dark. Both the workers at the condo and the creepy colleague theory are plausible, but I am surprised there wasn't more discussion about the ex bf - unless I am missing a blatant reason why he was cleared? - he makes a strong suspect to me. I find at least suspicious that her ex bf (who struggled after the break up) spends the weekend at her place just before she goes missing AND he is known to be in a bar near her place the night she goes missing. A possible scenario could be that the ex bf was still very upset about the break up and in love with her, spending the weekend at her place just reminded him of good times together so he decides to win her back/talk to her. The following night he goes to the bar first to get some liquid courage and then goes to her place, things don't go as planned and she ends up dead. With the complex still half empty and no security he could have transported the body to his vehicle and disposed of it that very night before going back in the morning and moving her car in at attempt to cover it up. That would also explain the suspicious knock on the door whilst she is on the phone with her current bf, you wouldn't tell your partner "oh hang on my drunk ex is at the door and I am going to let him in". Any thought on this - am I missing something?

    Great episode but such a sad case.

    Weird realising I took a bus from the hotel to the Florida mall a few years back whilst on holiday in Orlando and the route was through Americana blvd and the area where this crime was committed. I wouldn't describe the area as particularly sketchy (at least based on my perception) but it definitely had a different vibe to International dr, not a place I'd want my gf to wonder around alone after dark.

    Both the workers at the condo and the creepy colleague theory are plausible, but I am surprised there wasn't more discussion about the ex bf - unless I am missing a blatant reason why he was cleared? - he makes a strong suspect to me.
    I find at least suspicious that her ex bf (who struggled after the break up) spends the weekend at her place just before she goes missing AND he is known to be in a bar near her place the night she goes missing.

    A possible scenario could be that the ex bf was still very upset about the break up and in love with her, spending the weekend at her place just reminded him of good times together so he decides to win her back/talk to her.
    The following night he goes to the bar first to get some liquid courage and then goes to her place, things don't go as planned and she ends up dead. With the complex still half empty and no security he could have transported the body to his vehicle and disposed of it that very night before going back in the morning and moving her car in at attempt to cover it up.
    That would also explain the suspicious knock on the door whilst she is on the phone with her current bf, you wouldn't tell your partner "oh hang on my drunk ex is at the door and I am going to let him in".

    Any thought on this - am I missing something?

  • Kayla
    Kayla Oregon
    I would love to hear you guys do an episode on the disappearance of Antoinette Cayadito. That case has always mystified me and is so tragic.

    I would love to hear you guys do an episode on the disappearance of Antoinette Cayadito. That case has always mystified me and is so tragic.

  • Rachael
    Rachael Missouri
    I feel like a lot of/too much stock is being put into her parents' opinions. She was a grown woman living on her own for years. It's beyond possible she'd changed routines and habits in that time. I don't mean it negatively, but it's very possible her parents didn't know her/her routines as well as they assumed. Granted, I'm 9 years older than Jennifer was when she disappeared, but I'm sure there are assumptions my parents would make about me/my life that are incorrect. I believe she disappeared in the morning, I just think possibilities of her going out at night, inviting a person she knew inside, etc should be considered despite what her parents say.

    I feel like a lot of/too much stock is being put into her parents' opinions. She was a grown woman living on her own for years. It's beyond possible she'd changed routines and habits in that time. I don't mean it negatively, but it's very possible her parents didn't know her/her routines as well as they assumed. Granted, I'm 9 years older than Jennifer was when she disappeared, but I'm sure there are assumptions my parents would make about me/my life that are incorrect. I believe she disappeared in the morning, I just think possibilities of her going out at night, inviting a person she knew inside, etc should be considered despite what her parents say.

  • C
    C LA
    I had never heard of this case until TCG covered it. I took Nic and the Captain's advise and listened to a few of the Unconcluded episodes. I was mostly interested in the episodes where Jennifer's family and friends were interviewed. It's obvious from their viewpoints that they believe Jennifer was a very safe person and would never put herself in harms way. I totally believe them too. But on some of these interviews it feels like the family almost gets defensive of the fact that Jennifer was a safe person...like it's an insult to even imply that she may have voluntarily met up with someone she didn't know. Has anyone else noticed this? I don't remember what the online dating game was like in 2006 but I do remember there being a negative stigma towards it which has faded for the better through the years. I'm not saying that Jennifer met someone online but the reactions of the family and friends on the issue may give some insight into the types of questions police may have been asking them about Jennifer's habits and character...thus giving some insight into what the police think happened. I think it would be very interesting to see Jennifer's phone logs. Maybe it's all in my head though.

    I had never heard of this case until TCG covered it. I took Nic and the Captain's advise and listened to a few of the Unconcluded episodes. I was mostly interested in the episodes where Jennifer's family and friends were interviewed. It's obvious from their viewpoints that they believe Jennifer was a very safe person and would never put herself in harms way. I totally believe them too. But on some of these interviews it feels like the family almost gets defensive of the fact that Jennifer was a safe person...like it's an insult to even imply that she may have voluntarily met up with someone she didn't know. Has anyone else noticed this? I don't remember what the online dating game was like in 2006 but I do remember there being a negative stigma towards it which has faded for the better through the years. I'm not saying that Jennifer met someone online but the reactions of the family and friends on the issue may give some insight into the types of questions police may have been asking them about Jennifer's habits and character...thus giving some insight into what the police think happened. I think it would be very interesting to see Jennifer's phone logs. Maybe it's all in my head though.

  • Michala
    Michala Massachusetts
    Hey Nic and Captain So something caught my ear in the first episode when Nic mentioned the apartment across the hall that was unlocked with no one inside and no carpet. Was this apartment empty as in no one was renting it or no one was home at the time? All I could think of after hearing that was if no one was renting it and one of the workers knew and was working on it, maybe they took her in there hence the carpet removal? If you get a chance to read this could you let me know if it was rented or not I haven’t stopped thinking about it and it’s driving me nuts. You guys are the best!

    Hey Nic and Captain

    So something caught my ear in the first episode when Nic mentioned the apartment across the hall that was unlocked with no one inside and no carpet. Was this apartment empty as in no one was renting it or no one was home at the time? All I could think of after hearing that was if no one was renting it and one of the workers knew and was working on it, maybe they took her in there hence the carpet removal? If you get a chance to read this could you let me know if it was rented or not I haven’t stopped thinking about it and it’s driving me nuts. You guys are the best!

  • Jean
    Jean Ireland
    Two things came to my mind, unfortunately neither help to solve her disappearance. First off, I think it's quite possible she left to go to her car that morning, realised she left the other phone behind (because why would you remember it when it's not part of your normal routine) and went back to retrieve it. Maybe she was spotted by one of the workers, and they took the opportunity to jump her when she returned to the car. Or maybe she left the car briefly unlocked and they were able to subdue her once she got in. Secondly, despite what her family says, it is entirely possible that they didn't know Jennifer as well as they thought. There's nothing to say she wasn't lying about being in bed and that she did in fact go back out that night. Maybe she goes to a bar, angry after the fight with her boyfriend, hooks up with someone random, he stays the night. She still gets up and gets ready the next day, but at some point things with the guy go south. I find this harder to believe because of the pepper spray and lack of a struggle in the condo (that we know of) but it's still a slim possibility. Perhaps he followed her from the bar back to the condo and parked near the stairs, meaning he walked back after dumping her car, got into his own car and left, explaining the dog hit. I do think it's far more likely one of the workers or even the supposedly jilted co-worker took Jennifer, but you can't rule out that there were just some things she kept from even her close family. The only thing that doesn't add up in that scenario is why she would take the two phones with her if she did go out.

    Two things came to my mind, unfortunately neither help to solve her disappearance. First off, I think it's quite possible she left to go to her car that morning, realised she left the other phone behind (because why would you remember it when it's not part of your normal routine) and went back to retrieve it. Maybe she was spotted by one of the workers, and they took the opportunity to jump her when she returned to the car. Or maybe she left the car briefly unlocked and they were able to subdue her once she got in.

    Secondly, despite what her family says, it is entirely possible that they didn't know Jennifer as well as they thought. There's nothing to say she wasn't lying about being in bed and that she did in fact go back out that night. Maybe she goes to a bar, angry after the fight with her boyfriend, hooks up with someone random, he stays the night. She still gets up and gets ready the next day, but at some point things with the guy go south. I find this harder to believe because of the pepper spray and lack of a struggle in the condo (that we know of) but it's still a slim possibility. Perhaps he followed her from the bar back to the condo and parked near the stairs, meaning he walked back after dumping her car, got into his own car and left, explaining the dog hit.

    I do think it's far more likely one of the workers or even the supposedly jilted co-worker took Jennifer, but you can't rule out that there were just some things she kept from even her close family. The only thing that doesn't add up in that scenario is why she would take the two phones with her if she did go out.

  • STEF with one F
    STEF with one F
    I think that everything seems totally normal...except that Rob never told Jennifer that he loved her. Totally strange. About the video, it looks like a lady. Does the person look lithe to anyone else? Feminine somehow. I immediately thought that the person looks like a bakery worker. Bakers/bakery workers wear white uniforms with black shoes, hair pulled back, and use hair nets/wear hats.

    I think that everything seems totally normal...except that Rob never told Jennifer that he loved her. Totally strange.

    About the video, it looks like a lady. Does the person look lithe to anyone else? Feminine somehow. I immediately thought that the person looks like a bakery worker. Bakers/bakery workers wear white uniforms with black shoes, hair pulled back, and use hair nets/wear hats.

  • STEF with one F
    STEF with one F
    One other thing. Jennifer worked at Westgate Resorts. Dont' know what her job was, but those resorts could have bakers. or workers that wear white uniforms.

    One other thing.

    Jennifer worked at Westgate Resorts. Dont' know what her job was, but those resorts could have bakers. or workers that wear white uniforms.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    At Michala, thank you for posting. Yes that unit was empty and was part of the renovation process. That unit could have been used for something bad but was checked by Logan. But this also points out that there would have been options of concealing her body some where on this property or in a vacant unit and then moving and disposing of it later. Cheers Nic

    At Michala, thank you for posting.
    Yes that unit was empty and was part of the renovation process.
    That unit could have been used for something bad but was checked by Logan. But this also points out that there would have been options of concealing her body some where on this property or in a vacant unit and then moving and disposing of it later.
    Cheers Nic

  • Diane
    Diane Georgia
    This one is driving me crazy. Too much of a coincidence that the ex was there over the weekend and is across the street at a bar the night she gets home. Wish the ex was pursued more.... gets drunk across street, knocks on her door to crash. She lets him because she doesn’t want him to drive home drunk OR she ends up driving him AND it goes south from there. That would be the one reason for her getting out of bed and leaving in the late night. Maybe he does get home at 1am but he goes back in the am to stage and clean up the place. He knows her well so knows her habits etc including showering, wet towel, clothes laid out etc.

    This one is driving me crazy. Too much of a coincidence that the ex was there over the weekend and is across the street at a bar the night she gets home. Wish the ex was pursued more.... gets drunk across street, knocks on her door to crash. She lets him because she doesn’t want him to drive home drunk OR she ends up driving him AND it goes south from there. That would be the one reason for her getting out of bed and leaving in the late night. Maybe he does get home at 1am but he goes back in the am to stage and clean up the place. He knows her well so knows her habits etc including showering, wet towel, clothes laid out etc.

  • HHH
    HHH Parts Unknown
    A few thoughts 1. I do think the person on the video looks like a construction worker, potentially with a bald/shaved head (and with the head turned to the left in one of the still shots). Rather than a hat or a bun, you may just be seeing the back of head. 2. It’s possible that the abductor, after murdering and disposing of Jennifer, could have paid one of these workers to park the car somewhere else. How likely is a potentially undocumented worker ,who has unknowingly been an accessory to murder, to come forward and implicate themselves in this case? At best, they likely get deported and at worst they become the prime suspect in a murder case. While I don’t think this is the most likely scenario, it’s certainly plausible and not that far fetched.

    A few thoughts

    1. I do think the person on the video looks like a construction worker, potentially with a bald/shaved head (and with the head turned to the left in one of the still shots). Rather than a hat or a bun, you may just be seeing the back of head.

    2. It’s possible that the abductor, after murdering and disposing of Jennifer, could have paid one of these workers to park the car somewhere else. How likely is a potentially undocumented worker ,who has unknowingly been an accessory to murder, to come forward and implicate themselves in this case? At best, they likely get deported and at worst they become the prime suspect in a murder case.

    While I don’t think this is the most likely scenario, it’s certainly plausible and not that far fetched.

  • Mike Y
    Mike Y Canfield
    Hi Nick and Captain I'm a huge fan love the show and listen to it all the time but I'd love to debate both of you on several of your more well known cases including Jennifer Kesse. I have followed this case for years and listened to all 4 parts of your take on it and this is a Monday Night Disappearance not Tuesday. To rule out Tuesday is completely misguided and a way off narrative. There are 2 theories that make sense in this case and they both are on Monday Night period. One involves the obvious suspects (workers) and cell phone data. The other involves the cell phone data and the main reason most people go missing or get murdered in this country and that is personal relationships. Nothing about this case happening on Tuesday morning makes sense. Same way Brian Shaffer did not run away. You have to be totally misguided to believe that or some nonsense Smiley Face Killers. Same group of people believe Maura Murray is happily living in Canada. Use your head and logic and not fantasy type stuff.

    Hi Nick and Captain I'm a huge fan love the show and listen to it all the time but I'd love to debate both of you on several of your more well known cases including Jennifer Kesse. I have followed this case for years and listened to all 4 parts of your take on it and this is a Monday Night Disappearance not Tuesday. To rule out Tuesday is completely misguided and a way off narrative. There are 2 theories that make sense in this case and they both are on Monday Night period. One involves the obvious suspects (workers) and cell phone data. The other involves the cell phone data and the main reason most people go missing or get murdered in this country and that is personal relationships. Nothing about this case happening on Tuesday morning makes sense. Same way Brian Shaffer did not run away. You have to be totally misguided to believe that or some nonsense Smiley Face Killers. Same group of people believe Maura Murray is happily living in Canada. Use your head and logic and not fantasy type stuff.

  • Sandy
    Sandy PA
    As soon as you spoke about clothing of POI and darkness looking like bun or hat, I thought kitchen worker that could possible still have hair net on. (Plus the net would help not leave evidence in car)

    As soon as you spoke about clothing of POI and darkness looking like bun or hat, I thought kitchen worker that could possible still have hair net on. (Plus the net would help not leave evidence in car)

  • Mike
    Mike Ohio
    There is a lot of talk that Rob never told Jennifer that he loved her but if you listen to disappeared when Rob is interviewed and asked about the last phone call he specifically talks about how they both exchanged that we miss each other and that we love each other and he specifically says verbatim we told each other that we love each other so either he is embellishing on disappeared or the other side of the equation is wrong

    There is a lot of talk that Rob never told Jennifer that he loved her but if you listen to disappeared when Rob is interviewed and asked about the last phone call he specifically talks about how they both exchanged that we miss each other and that we love each other and he specifically says verbatim we told each other that we love each other so either he is embellishing on disappeared or the other side of the equation is wrong

  • Mike Y
    Mike Y Canfield
    Jean from Ireland very wise and informed comments and point of view. It's a shame that this case has ended in suing the Orlando Police which will not help solve Jennifer's case. Unfortunately from the start it seems the Kesse's have told of this bum rush Tuesday morning abduction of people rushing Jennifer at her door and putting her and all her stuff into her own car to abductor her. Just doesn't make sense. I think flexibility on the Monday Night disappearance would have progressed this case much better. However starting with Disappeared basically saying it had to be a Tuesday Morning abduction based on Wet Towels and almost every major podcast following suite pushing that angle I think it stalled the case somewhat. What people should take a listen to is Unconcluded that is the one podcast dedicated to Jennifer's Case and originally after an episode or 2 the Kesse's had flipped them to the whole Tuesday Morning angle , but over time and episodes and following the most important piece of evidence the cell phones being turned off both hosts are now of the belief she disappeared Monday Night. Also there is a chance this is not an abduction it's a disappearance. There is a chance Jennifer went out that night and met up with somebody who was not happy that she took her trip with Rob. I'm not saying it happened that way I don't know but I'd give it a higher percentage than the Tuesday Morning scenario.

    Jean from Ireland very wise and informed comments and point of view. It's a shame that this case has ended in suing the Orlando Police which will not help solve Jennifer's case. Unfortunately from the start it seems the Kesse's have told of this bum rush Tuesday morning abduction of people rushing Jennifer at her door and putting her and all her stuff into her own car to abductor her. Just doesn't make sense. I think flexibility on the Monday Night disappearance would have progressed this case much better. However starting with Disappeared basically saying it had to be a Tuesday Morning abduction based on Wet Towels and almost every major podcast following suite pushing that angle I think it stalled the case somewhat. What people should take a listen to is Unconcluded that is the one podcast dedicated to Jennifer's Case and originally after an episode or 2 the Kesse's had flipped them to the whole Tuesday Morning angle , but over time and episodes and following the most important piece of evidence the cell phones being turned off both hosts are now of the belief she disappeared Monday Night. Also there is a chance this is not an abduction it's a disappearance. There is a chance Jennifer went out that night and met up with somebody who was not happy that she took her trip with Rob. I'm not saying it happened that way I don't know but I'd give it a higher percentage than the Tuesday Morning scenario.

  • Erin
    Erin RI
    The ex boyfriend, across the street drinking is the most likely suspect. Sadly, disappearing like this is usually found to be by someone known to the victim. Have to say though, the co start harping on “undocumented “ workers was incredibly irritating. There was no evidence presented of that. It could be citizens working under the table as easily as someone who isn’t. We’re there cases before or after Kesse on other construction sites where this happened? If it was a stranger, it would more than likely be a serial instinct and the police should have looked for those types of connections...maybe they did. If it’s a one off, it’s more than likely a crime if passion and someone she knew. Either way, the undertone of racism implied by repeatedly saying “undocumented workers” is a distraction to the case and doesn’t help solve it.

    The ex boyfriend, across the street drinking is the most likely suspect. Sadly, disappearing like this is usually found to be by someone known to the victim.

    Have to say though, the co start harping on “undocumented “ workers was incredibly irritating. There was no evidence presented of that. It could be citizens working under the table as easily as someone who isn’t. We’re there cases before or after Kesse on other construction sites where this happened? If it was a stranger, it would more than likely be a serial instinct and the police should have looked for those types of connections...maybe they did. If it’s a one off, it’s more than likely a crime if passion and someone she knew.

    Either way, the undertone of racism implied by repeatedly saying “undocumented workers” is a distraction to the case and doesn’t help solve it.

  • Nara
    Nara Canada
    I believe she never left the complex, her body might be in the walls of the building. Workers have something to do with this.

    I believe she never left the complex, her body might be in the walls of the building. Workers have something to do with this.

  • Kim
    Kim GA
    @Erin, RI I'm with you. I found that consistently distracting and frustrating.

    @Erin, RI
    I'm with you. I found that consistently distracting and frustrating.

  • Chris
    Chris FL
    The POI walked back, suggesting to me he was alone. Had there been an accomplice, that person would have followed the POI in a vehicle so that he didn't have to return on foot. So, I think it's a male acting alone. He looks young in the video / stills, considering the hair (probably a mushroom cut or maybe a variant of a samurai cut), gait, and pants (baggy thighs, narrow at the ankle) -- like 18-21 or so. He looks thin, too, but his feet look huge. His gait is striking -- long strides, arms swinging far back, and that says young to me, too. I wonder if the POI's pants are bound near the ankle like somebody would do when they ride a bike to keep the cuff out of the chain, which makes me wonder if the POI lacked a car. Seems she was abducted when she went out in the morning headed to work, before she got to her car. The male POI saw her and did something in the parking lot or building breezeway, and I think the most likely scenario is that he then took her to the woods. Possibly at gunpoint. Coming back by noon for the car suggests to me he didn't take her far and that he got it together pretty quickly and made his plans. Going back for the car, though it worked for him, was a callow mistake, too. I disagree with the hosts that the clothes appear to be construction work clothes or any uniform. The shoes are consistent with kitchen work as they look black -- not just dark but black. Dishwashers and restaurant crews like those types of shoes. Painters, drywall, etc. don't like black shoes from what I've seen -- too much white stuff flying around, too much dust. There are all kinds of restaurants near that area based on Google. I agree with Captain that the undocumented, itinerant workers are likely suspects, but I'd also be looking for a younger male who lives very close, kinda tall, no set work schedule or perhaps late hours work schedule, possibly on a bike. I get a picture of 18-20 Latino with a mushroom cut, maybe working as a busboy or dishwasher or fry cook or something where the hours are later in the day or overnight. A student makes sense. He might cut through that community to get to his home/school north or south of the complex. Ep. 365 at the end gets closest to all of this (not the sex trafficking -- the hoodlum /student / illegal makes sense to me).

    The POI walked back, suggesting to me he was alone. Had there been an accomplice, that person would have followed the POI in a vehicle so that he didn't have to return on foot. So, I think it's a male acting alone. He looks young in the video / stills, considering the hair (probably a mushroom cut or maybe a variant of a samurai cut), gait, and pants (baggy thighs, narrow at the ankle) -- like 18-21 or so. He looks thin, too, but his feet look huge. His gait is striking -- long strides, arms swinging far back, and that says young to me, too.

    I wonder if the POI's pants are bound near the ankle like somebody would do when they ride a bike to keep the cuff out of the chain, which makes me wonder if the POI lacked a car.

    Seems she was abducted when she went out in the morning headed to work, before she got to her car. The male POI saw her and did something in the parking lot or building breezeway, and I think the most likely scenario is that he then took her to the woods. Possibly at gunpoint. Coming back by noon for the car suggests to me he didn't take her far and that he got it together pretty quickly and made his plans. Going back for the car, though it worked for him, was a callow mistake, too.

    I disagree with the hosts that the clothes appear to be construction work clothes or any uniform. The shoes are consistent with kitchen work as they look black -- not just dark but black. Dishwashers and restaurant crews like those types of shoes. Painters, drywall, etc. don't like black shoes from what I've seen -- too much white stuff flying around, too much dust. There are all kinds of restaurants near that area based on Google.

    I agree with Captain that the undocumented, itinerant workers are likely suspects, but I'd also be looking for a younger male who lives very close, kinda tall, no set work schedule or perhaps late hours work schedule, possibly on a bike. I get a picture of 18-20 Latino with a mushroom cut, maybe working as a busboy or dishwasher or fry cook or something where the hours are later in the day or overnight. A student makes sense. He might cut through that community to get to his home/school north or south of the complex. Ep. 365 at the end gets closest to all of this (not the sex trafficking -- the hoodlum /student / illegal makes sense to me).

  • Shane
    Shane Toronto
    The person walking past the fence looks to be wearing clothing of a person who would work on a boat. Orlando has a lot of cruise boats/tours. Maybe one of these condo workers also had a side gig as a boat tour person or vice versa.

    The person walking past the fence looks to be wearing clothing of a person who would work on a boat. Orlando has a lot of cruise boats/tours. Maybe one of these condo workers also had a side gig as a boat tour person or vice versa.

  • Rachel
    Rachel Orlando
    My guess from the video is the person is a male, restaurant worker, 5'7, possibly Hispanic. The shoes are more similar to a bus boy, food prep worker and I think that is a lean male build.

    My guess from the video is the person is a male, restaurant worker, 5'7, possibly Hispanic. The shoes are more similar to a bus boy, food prep worker and I think that is a lean male build.

  • Jennifer
    Jennifer BC
    To me, the person in the photo looks like a woman. Did they ever look into the managers wife? People will go to extreme lengths to save their relationship. Maybe she thought Jennifer was a rival for her husband. More than once in my life, I've had men who aggressively pursued me, only to tell their wife or girlfriend that it was ME trying to get with THEM. Who knows what kind of story he was weaving.

    To me, the person in the photo looks like a woman. Did they ever look into the managers wife? People will go to extreme lengths to save their relationship. Maybe she thought Jennifer was a rival for her husband. More than once in my life, I've had men who aggressively pursued me, only to tell their wife or girlfriend that it was ME trying to get with THEM. Who knows what kind of story he was weaving.

  • Margarita
    Margarita Texas
    The POI could possibly be an Asian male that worked at the Chinese restaurant. He/She could of delivered the Chinese food to Jennifer that Monday evening.

    The POI could possibly be an Asian male that worked at the Chinese restaurant. He/She could of delivered the Chinese food to Jennifer that Monday evening.

  • Tim
    Tim New York
    Another fascinating program, thanks guys. I think that what I like about TCG is that the 2 hosts take things that are inherently irrational and very f-ed up and discuss them in a clear, rational way. And they like craft beer. This case has a bunch of loose ends and wild cards in it that make for interesting listening but a very frustrating conclusion. The thing with the surveillance photos, the bitter ex-boyfriend on the scene, the rejected co-worker, some of the troubling statements attributed to the police . . . And who the heck was this neighbor who knocked on her door at night? That was very suspicious! Most puzzling of all is the telephone records. What are the chances that those records are all wrong? Because if they are not, then Miss Kesse was clearly up to some stuff that her parents and boyfriend did not know about. And things like that have been known to happen. But what? Drug use? An affair? I didn't come away from this show with a feeling that I knew JK at all. She seemed like a normal gal, hard working, ambitious, but beyond that, not much. Just to add to the confusion, I wonder why the hosts did not examine the possibility that this was a professionally done murder. I agree that a random psycho laborer at the condo complex is the most logical culprit, but would he have had the ability and presence of mind to thoroughly clean the car before dropping it off? Could somebody have wanted to get rid of her for some reason? The company she worked for eventually went bankrupt, didn't it? (I could be wrong, I'm just going from memory.) Maybe she came across some financial manipulations. And you can't just write off the rejected co-worker and the ex-boyfriend as suspects--men have been know to kill in those situations--althou it seems the police cleared them for some reason or other. I am just throwing stuff out here. I do hope it is solved someday.

    Another fascinating program, thanks guys. I think that what I like about TCG is that the 2 hosts take things that are inherently irrational and very f-ed up and discuss them in a clear, rational way. And they like craft beer.

    This case has a bunch of loose ends and wild cards in it that make for interesting listening but a very frustrating conclusion. The thing with the surveillance photos, the bitter ex-boyfriend on the scene, the rejected co-worker, some of the troubling statements attributed to the police . . . And who the heck was this neighbor who knocked on her door at night? That was very suspicious! Most puzzling of all is the telephone records. What are the chances that those records are all wrong? Because if they are not, then Miss Kesse was clearly up to some stuff that her parents and boyfriend did not know about. And things like that have been known to happen. But what? Drug use? An affair? I didn't come away from this show with a feeling that I knew JK at all. She seemed like a normal gal, hard working, ambitious, but beyond that, not much.

    Just to add to the confusion, I wonder why the hosts did not examine the possibility that this was a professionally done murder. I agree that a random psycho laborer at the condo complex is the most logical culprit, but would he have had the ability and presence of mind to thoroughly clean the car before dropping it off? Could somebody have wanted to get rid of her for some reason? The company she worked for eventually went bankrupt, didn't it? (I could be wrong, I'm just going from memory.) Maybe she came across some financial manipulations. And you can't just write off the rejected co-worker and the ex-boyfriend as suspects--men have been know to kill in those situations--althou it seems the police cleared them for some reason or other. I am just throwing stuff out here. I do hope it is solved someday.

  • Courtney
    Courtney CA
    Did you guys consider sex trafficking? Florida, undocumented workers watching her come and go, blond/pretty girl, not a lot of security and empty condos. Seems plausible to me

    Did you guys consider sex trafficking? Florida, undocumented workers watching her come and go, blond/pretty girl, not a lot of security and empty condos. Seems plausible to me

  • Claire G
    Claire G
    Great podcast guys I love the show. After watching the security tape, it looks to me like someone wearing a painters overalls (the disposable kind). They're a plastic and paper mix overalls that are usually thrown out after use and they are normally worn over your own clothes to protect them, the POI could have found these anywhere on the building site and wouldn't have to be one of the workers. When you see the shoes and the hat it doesn't look like a workman's hat and shoes. A painter would never wear black shoes and a black hat as they would get destroyed with paint when working. We would be able to see paint on the shoes. Plus we can see they are soft shoes which aren't good for working on a site. I think the hat is part of a disguise to hide the person's hair and identity. The POI clearly has their hands in their pockets which would suggest the overalls are too big and they have their hands in the pockets to keep the pants up. So my guess would be that the POI is shorter than your average person. Possibly a woman or a man under 6ft. The missing phones are a good part of the puzzle if you ask me. Why would she take her ex's phone with her to work?.

    Great podcast guys I love the show.

    After watching the security tape, it looks to me like someone wearing a painters overalls (the disposable kind). They're a plastic and paper mix overalls that are usually thrown out after use and they are normally worn over your own clothes to protect them, the POI could have found these anywhere on the building site and wouldn't have to be one of the workers. When you see the shoes and the hat it doesn't look like a workman's hat and shoes. A painter would never wear black shoes and a black hat as they would get destroyed with paint when working. We would be able to see paint on the shoes. Plus we can see they are soft shoes which aren't good for working on a site. I think the hat is part of a disguise to hide the person's hair and identity. The POI clearly has their hands in their pockets which would suggest the overalls are too big and they have their hands in the pockets to keep the pants up. So my guess would be that the POI is shorter than your average person. Possibly a woman or a man under 6ft.

    The missing phones are a good part of the puzzle if you ask me. Why would she take her ex's phone with her to work?.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    It was her brother's friend's phone - not her ex bfs. She was taking the phone with her to work to ship it to him so neither would have to make the drive to retrieve it. Thank you for posting - Cheers Nic

    It was her brother's friend's phone - not her ex bfs. She was taking the phone with her to work to ship it to him so neither would have to make the drive to retrieve it.
    Thank you for posting - Cheers Nic

  • Starlene
    Starlene Hayward, Bay Area, CA.
    Orlando Police Department definitely Dropped the ball. Failed drastically in their response, duties and responsibilities, especially at the most critical point and time. As a result of Police 1A failures this young woman is not alive somewhere. For her parents "Heart & Peace" I hope her body is found one day soon. Why hasn't anyone located . Chino-the painter in the white suit . Chinos co-workers . Chinos boss . Followed up on the leads left on the crime line answering machine that FPD didn't? I don't believe Jennifer just Up & Vanished. Come on detectives do your job. Make a name for yourself. Family-Seek All New Eyes- to get closure!

    Orlando Police Department definitely Dropped the ball. Failed drastically in their response, duties and responsibilities, especially at the most critical point and time. As a result of Police 1A failures this young woman is not alive somewhere. For her parents "Heart & Peace" I hope her body is found one day soon.
    Why hasn't anyone located
    . Chino-the painter in the white suit
    . Chinos co-workers
    . Chinos boss
    . Followed up on the leads left on the crime line answering machine that FPD didn't?
    I don't believe Jennifer just Up & Vanished.
    Come on detectives do your job. Make a name for yourself.
    Family-Seek All New Eyes- to get closure!

  • Starlene
    Starlene Hayward, Bay Area, CA.
    What about the shoes the perp was wearing? (Chino-seen in the video in the all white suit-the same suit he wore everyday to work) PD couldn't follow a foot trail or pick up a Shoe Print trail?

    What about the shoes the perp was wearing? (Chino-seen in the video in the all white suit-the same suit he wore everyday to work) PD couldn't follow a foot trail or pick up a Shoe Print trail?

  • Nic
    Nic UK
    Fascinating case. Reminds me of the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence in York UK a few years ago. It has never been established when exactly she went missing, overnight or on her way to work. I would love it if you guys covered her case. Stay safe xx.

    Fascinating case. Reminds me of the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence in York UK a few years ago. It has never been established when exactly she went missing, overnight or on her way to work. I would love it if you guys covered her case. Stay safe xx.

  • Kelsey
    Kelsey Nj
    I find it very suspicious of the ex boyfriend being in the area the night before, including that there is talk of her having a knock on her door at one point late at night. Being her ex, and recently fighting with (and maybe questioning the affection or intentions of her current boyfriend) I believe any girl would consider lying about who was at her door, and would allow him inside. I know many people find that the person seen parking and getting out of her vehicle does not match the ex boyfriends description, however I believe if there were MANY workers at the site, and many possibly undoctumented, I feel it wouldn't take too much convincing to hand one of them a certain amount of cash, and easily telling them "hey here's $200 bucks, go park this car across the street for me" and no one would ever know if he parked it for him, and walked back and continued to work. No other undocumented worker would bat an eye, I'm sure. That would allow the ex to then possibly mod her items, and her, into his vehicle, and drive off undetected. It was a huge mistake to not at least try to take a polygraph from him, even if there could be false positives and whatnot, at least they could have tried (regardless what roommates would have said--it's very easy to cover up for a friend in my opinion.

    I find it very suspicious of the ex boyfriend being in the area the night before, including that there is talk of her having a knock on her door at one point late at night. Being her ex, and recently fighting with (and maybe questioning the affection or intentions of her current boyfriend) I believe any girl would consider lying about who was at her door, and would allow him inside. I know many people find that the person seen parking and getting out of her vehicle does not match the ex boyfriends description, however I believe if there were MANY workers at the site, and many possibly undoctumented, I feel it wouldn't take too much convincing to hand one of them a certain amount of cash, and easily telling them "hey here's $200 bucks, go park this car across the street for me" and no one would ever know if he parked it for him, and walked back and continued to work. No other undocumented worker would bat an eye, I'm sure. That would allow the ex to then possibly mod her items, and her, into his vehicle, and drive off undetected. It was a huge mistake to not at least try to take a polygraph from him, even if there could be false positives and whatnot, at least they could have tried (regardless what roommates would have said--it's very easy to cover up for a friend in my opinion.

  • Anne
    Anne AK
    The poi seems very calm and collected and very sure of himself, i think this was pre planned and hes probebly well gone by now chance he got a flight back to mexico or similar same eve, or morning after, he knew the car would be found in a day or so and he was on surveillance, so why not go back home, hence pd could never find him all these years. He calmley parked the car roughly 4 -5 hours after abducting jennifer, in that 4 hours done inspicable evil acts no doubt and yet he is so calm straight after that wow. he even spent 30 seconds in the car before leaving dare say wiping down all evidence, and calmley gets out of the car , hes obviousley a sicko of the worst kind, and i hope they one day catch the bastard and give him the chair. I really hope they

    The poi seems very calm and collected and very sure of himself, i think this was pre planned and hes probebly well gone by now chance he got a flight back to mexico or similar same eve, or morning after, he knew the car would be found in a day or so and he was on surveillance, so why not go back home, hence pd could never find him all these years. He calmley parked the car roughly 4 -5 hours after abducting jennifer, in that 4 hours done inspicable evil acts no doubt and yet he is so calm straight after that wow.
    he even spent 30 seconds in the car before leaving dare say wiping down all evidence, and calmley gets out of the car , hes obviousley a sicko of the worst kind, and i hope they one day catch the bastard and give him the chair.
    I really hope they

  • Ashley
    Ashley Buffalo, NY
    RE: Person of interest Could it be the case that the POI in the video was just a mule, so to speak, and may have just been following directions and not knowing why they were being asked to do it? It could mean that the POI is not the perpetrator. That would explain the absence of motive, or maybe the motive being to rid themselves of their tracks by putting it back in the general area.

    RE: Person of interest

    Could it be the case that the POI in the video was just a mule, so to speak, and may have just been following directions and not knowing why they were being asked to do it? It could mean that the POI is not the perpetrator. That would explain the absence of motive, or maybe the motive being to rid themselves of their tracks by putting it back in the general area.

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