The Hi-Fi Murders /// 402 /// 403

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  • Jeanie Raymond
    Jeanie Raymond
    The Hi-Fi shop was in what today is considered an outdoor mall today. It was on Washington Blvd. This business is still open but moved another location in Roy Utah. The picture you have looks accurate.

    The Hi-Fi shop was in what today is considered an outdoor mall today. It was on Washington Blvd. This business is still open but moved another location in Roy Utah. The picture you have looks accurate.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thank you Jeanie! Cheers Nic

    Thank you Jeanie!
    Cheers Nic

  • BOBBY
    BOBBY VA
    Being a military brat, a vet, and married to a vet I can tell you that in the 60s and 70s drugs were prevalent and jail time could be avoided by joining.

    Being a military brat, a vet, and married to a vet I can tell you that in the 60s and 70s drugs were prevalent and jail time could be avoided by joining.

  • BOBBY
    BOBBY VA
    The Vietnam war had just ended, and racism was rampant in the military so who knows what kind of demons were in those perpetrator's heads. Still a horrible crime no matter what was going on at the time.

    The Vietnam war had just ended, and racism was rampant in the military so who knows what kind of demons were in those perpetrator's heads. Still a horrible crime no matter what was going on at the time.

  • Kaylynn
    Kaylynn AZ
    Did you read “Victim” by Gary Kinder? Tells this story from Courtney’s family point of view. It is intense and sad.

    Did you read “Victim” by Gary Kinder? Tells this story from Courtney’s family point of view. It is intense and sad.

  • mG
    mG tX
    We going for shock value this week? This case has received substantial coverage and is beyond sadistic and sick. No thanks.

    We going for shock value this week? This case has received substantial coverage and is beyond sadistic and sick. No thanks.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Kaylynn, I did not but would like to. It is regarded as a quality read. I was able to find portions of the book available online - I read those. Mostly what Cortney could recall - even years later. Thanks Nic

    Hi Kaylynn,
    I did not but would like to. It is regarded as a quality read. I was able to find portions of the book available online - I read those. Mostly what Cortney could recall - even years later.
    Thanks Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @mG - as always thank you for your continued listenership and frequent post. This one has been requested many times over since 2016. I find these types of cases fascinating. I think a look at cases like this could help with some form of understanding cases like Lane Bryant, Yogurt shop, and so on. But yes my friend you are correct as usual - this case has received substantial coverage. Cheers Nic

    @mG - as always thank you for your continued listenership and frequent post. This one has been requested many times over since 2016. I find these types of cases fascinating. I think a look at cases like this could help with some form of understanding cases like Lane Bryant, Yogurt shop, and so on. But yes my friend you are correct as usual - this case has received substantial coverage.
    Cheers Nic

  • Camille
    Camille Battle Ground, WA
    I lived in the Ogden area for 5 years--the Captain and Nic debated what type of building this happened in; if it is the neighborhood I think it is, it's a sort of old-fashioned storefront (common in Utah) that faces a main street (Washington Blvd. is the main thoroughfare in downtown Ogden) with parking in the back; employees would typically come and go from the back door while customers wandered in via the front door, parking on the street or walking. Also note, many of my colleagues there assured me that Ogden today is not at all like Ogden 30-40 years ago; back then, crime was rampant, drugs were abundant and Ogden had a reputation as the blacksheep of the Salt Lake Valley. Today it's a fairly Hipster town that has attracted several notable businesses and is adjacent to ski resorts and National Forest lands.

    I lived in the Ogden area for 5 years--the Captain and Nic debated what type of building this happened in; if it is the neighborhood I think it is, it's a sort of old-fashioned storefront (common in Utah) that faces a main street (Washington Blvd. is the main thoroughfare in downtown Ogden) with parking in the back; employees would typically come and go from the back door while customers wandered in via the front door, parking on the street or walking. Also note, many of my colleagues there assured me that Ogden today is not at all like Ogden 30-40 years ago; back then, crime was rampant, drugs were abundant and Ogden had a reputation as the blacksheep of the Salt Lake Valley. Today it's a fairly Hipster town that has attracted several notable businesses and is adjacent to ski resorts and National Forest lands.

  • Donnie D
    Donnie D Kentucky
    I’m usually against the death penalty but cases like this are a great example of why it is sometimes justified.

    I’m usually against the death penalty but cases like this are a great example of why it is sometimes justified.

  • Uncle D.
    Uncle D. BFE
    Yo. What up Homies. After listening to the last episode, I was reminded to remind myself to ask Nic and Captain a question. Why have you not covered the EARONS/Golden State Killer case? It's about time boys.

    Yo. What up Homies. After listening to the last episode, I was reminded to remind myself to ask Nic and Captain a question. Why have you not covered the EARONS/Golden State Killer case? It's about time boys.

  • Denise
    Denise Denver, CO
    Guys: I've been listening to you since you started this podcast and right now, more than ever, it's really helping me through these strange times. I bump around between True Crime Garage and others, but you are my go to and I thank you for this podcast. Wish I could send you some Colorado Kind from Vine Street, but a growler would be the best I could do and wouldn't travel well! Still, if you are ever out here, let me know and I will pay your tab at Vine Street. Cheers!

    Guys:

    I've been listening to you since you started this podcast and right now, more than ever, it's really helping me through these strange times. I bump around between True Crime Garage and others, but you are my go to and I thank you for this podcast. Wish I could send you some Colorado Kind from Vine Street, but a growler would be the best I could do and wouldn't travel well! Still, if you are ever out here, let me know and I will pay your tab at Vine Street. Cheers!

  • Lisa
    Lisa Phoenix
    Just reading through these comments, I am looking forward to listening to this case as I am not familiar with it. I have a 5 hour flight back to "The Land" and have downloaded them already for my listening pleasure!

    Just reading through these comments, I am looking forward to listening to this case as I am not familiar with it. I have a 5 hour flight back to "The Land" and have downloaded them already for my listening pleasure!

  • Mark
    Mark TX
    Stop saying that everyone that joins the military does it to protect and serve their country. A lot of people do it because it's the only economic opportunity afforded them.

    Stop saying that everyone that joins the military does it to protect and serve their country. A lot of people do it because it's the only economic opportunity afforded them.

  • Nancy
    Nancy California
    They may have signed up for the AF in order to avoid being drafted into the Army during Vietnam. The current building is newer than this crime. Washington Blvd is an “old downtown” with just rows of shops. There is some street parking, but larger lots are either behind or at one end of the block. Ogden is a lovely town now. (My husband was working at Hill recently). The “old town” has great shops and restaurants. But it was much rougher back in the day. Even now there were definite areas we were steered from when looking for a house. Of course, racism runs rampant as well as myriad other biases based in fear of “the other”. And I’m speaking as an occasional visitor within the past four years. My white male Air Force employed husband had few problems. But my femaleness was a liability. Oh. And that I was still living in California... I would guess they were guilty until proven innocent in reality. The stolen items in their storage unit is rather damning.

    They may have signed up for the AF in order to avoid being drafted into the Army during Vietnam.

    The current building is newer than this crime. Washington Blvd is an “old downtown” with just rows of shops. There is some street parking, but larger lots are either behind or at one end of the block.

    Ogden is a lovely town now. (My husband was working at Hill recently). The “old town” has great shops and restaurants. But it was much rougher back in the day. Even now there were definite areas we were steered from when looking for a house.

    Of course, racism runs rampant as well as myriad other biases based in fear of “the other”. And I’m speaking as an occasional visitor within the past four years. My white male Air Force employed husband had few problems. But my femaleness was a liability. Oh. And that I was still living in California...

    I would guess they were guilty until proven innocent in reality. The stolen items in their storage unit is rather damning.

  • Sarah
    Sarah
    I hinted at this on the Instagram page, but this case (as well as Ted Bundy being active roughly around that time in the same area) had a lasting, profound effect on the community. I wasn't even born until several years after this case, and didn't come to Utah until even several more several years after that, and I still grew up hearing stories about both of them. They were used as warnings to be wary of strangers, to be aware of your surroundings, to have some form of self-defense whenever possible, and to always lock your doors. Utah can be a very trusting place, as so much of our population is religious and we tend to trust that people are being honest with us the way we would try to be with them. These cases were wake-up calls that there are bad people out there who would prey on the innocent, so we have to be proactive in taking care of ourselves.

    I hinted at this on the Instagram page, but this case (as well as Ted Bundy being active roughly around that time in the same area) had a lasting, profound effect on the community. I wasn't even born until several years after this case, and didn't come to Utah until even several more several years after that, and I still grew up hearing stories about both of them. They were used as warnings to be wary of strangers, to be aware of your surroundings, to have some form of self-defense whenever possible, and to always lock your doors. Utah can be a very trusting place, as so much of our population is religious and we tend to trust that people are being honest with us the way we would try to be with them. These cases were wake-up calls that there are bad people out there who would prey on the innocent, so we have to be proactive in taking care of ourselves.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous UT
    Gents, I love your podcast and I am about half way through the episodes and always wanted to have you guys cover this crime. When I saw it I had to listen to it. I want to share the story that I was a 20 year old airmen stationed at Hill AFB in 1987 when I read the book "Victims..." in my dorm room. When I got to the part where the kids found the items in the dumpster outside Bldg 345, if memory serves, I realized I was living in Bldg 345. I went to the second floor to check on the room the perps were living in, and it was pretty surreal. Previous comments above stated how much of an impact there was to this community and that is an understatement. I was told that the relationship between the community and the AFB was estranged to the point of many threats against black service members stationed at Hill in the aftermath. To the point that the Air Force had most of those members relocated to other bases, referred to as Permanent Change of Station, for their safety. Jeannie and Camille are both accurate in the description of the location of the Hi-fi Shop and that is the photo of the shop as it was at the time of the murder. I was born and raised in Cleveland and Ashtabula OH and it's good to see something this special coming out of Ohio. I fell in love with Utah and have lived here almost half my life now. I really wish you could try some of the micro breweries here because we have some awesome beer and finally we can get the high point stuff the rest of the world has enjoyed. Keep it up!

    Gents, I love your podcast and I am about half way through the episodes and always wanted to have you guys cover this crime. When I saw it I had to listen to it. I want to share the story that I was a 20 year old airmen stationed at Hill AFB in 1987 when I read the book "Victims..." in my dorm room. When I got to the part where the kids found the items in the dumpster outside Bldg 345, if memory serves, I realized I was living in Bldg 345. I went to the second floor to check on the room the perps were living in, and it was pretty surreal. Previous comments above stated how much of an impact there was to this community and that is an understatement. I was told that the relationship between the community and the AFB was estranged to the point of many threats against black service members stationed at Hill in the aftermath. To the point that the Air Force had most of those members relocated to other bases, referred to as Permanent Change of Station, for their safety.

    Jeannie and Camille are both accurate in the description of the location of the Hi-fi Shop and that is the photo of the shop as it was at the time of the murder.

    I was born and raised in Cleveland and Ashtabula OH and it's good to see something this special coming out of Ohio. I fell in love with Utah and have lived here almost half my life now. I really wish you could try some of the micro breweries here because we have some awesome beer and finally we can get the high point stuff the rest of the world has enjoyed. Keep it up!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Alan - thanks for dropping us a line and some knowledge. Long-distance cheers to you my friend! Nic

    Alan - thanks for dropping us a line and some knowledge.
    Long-distance cheers to you my friend!
    Nic

  • Allison
    Allison Marlborough New Zealand
    So sad not to hear my name today, i put some love to the beer fund 3 weeks ago and waited to show my husband, but nothing. Still love the show though, really like the podcast! Super well done!!

    So sad not to hear my name today, i put some love to the beer fund 3 weeks ago and waited to show my husband, but nothing. Still love the show though, really like the podcast! Super well done!!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    My apologies Allison - we have been very lucky with our beer fund. Our listeners and Garage buddies have been just fantastic. We are behind on the shout outs. Thank you for listening and thank you for your support! Cheers Nic

    My apologies Allison - we have been very lucky with our beer fund. Our listeners and Garage buddies have been just fantastic. We are behind on the shout outs. Thank you for listening and thank you for your support!
    Cheers Nic

  • Kristine
    Kristine South Jordan, UT
    I think often about this murder and how shocked I was to learn what those poor victims went through. My aunt worked for the mortuary where they took young Michelle it haunted her. We shopped at the Hi-Fi shop and was there the day before couldn't believe the news when we learned of this tragedy. And Drano I can't buy I always remember. Thank you for honoring the victims.

    I think often about this murder and how shocked I was to learn what those poor victims went through. My aunt worked for the mortuary where they took young Michelle it haunted her. We shopped at the Hi-Fi shop and was there the day before couldn't believe the news when we learned of this tragedy. And Drano I can't buy I always remember. Thank you for honoring the victims.

  • Lori
    Lori Virginia
    I went in to the service in ‘77. I clearly remember for many people it was , Go to Prison or Go in to the Military. Everyone knew we had criminal types who took the ‘easy’ path and signed up.

    I went in to the service in ‘77. I clearly remember for many people it was , Go to Prison or Go in to the Military. Everyone knew we had criminal types who took the ‘easy’ path and signed up.

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