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  • Louise  H

    Louise H Michigan

    Another great episode guys. Very interesting case and I still have so many questions. I've been wanting to comment for a couple of days but I just don't know where to start. There are so many questionable details regarding the letters and attacks that lead me to believe he might have made it up and it may have been some sort of elaborate attempt to cover up a suicide, though I'm not sure how he would have strangled himself with his scarf with gloves on. On the other hand, it could have been bullies or a stalker(s) could have done it but I'd think he or his friends would have an idea who they were. He claimed to have been attacked by two people yet nobody has a clue and this pair hasn't struck again since then? It just makes no sense. I hope further investigation and DNA testing solves this case.

    Another great episode guys. Very interesting case and I still have so many questions. I've been wanting to comment for a couple of days but I just don't know where to start. There are so many questionable details regarding the letters and attacks that lead me to believe he might have made it up and it may have been some sort of elaborate attempt to cover up a suicide, though I'm not sure how he would have strangled himself with his scarf with gloves on. On the other hand, it could have been bullies or a stalker(s) could have done it but I'd think he or his friends would have an idea who they were. He claimed to have been attacked by two people yet nobody has a clue and this pair hasn't struck again since then? It just makes no sense. I hope further investigation and DNA testing solves this case.

  • Brandi

    Brandi GA

    Just started listening and the beginning news report mentions that the DNA sample is too small to test. I believe it was on your Mia Zappata show where you mentioned that the DNA recovered was also small, but they held it until a new DNA technology came out allowing small amounts of DNA to be tested without using up the sample. It just struck me, so i wonder if the police handling the case are aware, etc? Love the show, thanks.

    Just started listening and the beginning news report mentions that the DNA sample is too small to test. I believe it was on your Mia Zappata show where you mentioned that the DNA recovered was also small, but they held it until a new DNA technology came out allowing small amounts of DNA to be tested without using up the sample. It just struck me, so i wonder if the police handling the case are aware, etc?

    Love the show, thanks.

  • John

    John WI

    Fascinating case! Like Nic said, I have been going back and forth on this myself. I agree with Nic that the manner of death does not appear to be murder. If Bill were jumped he'd probably have facial injuries. It's not likely someone is going to use his scarf for some silent ninja assassination. Captain had a brilliant observation which explained the earlier choking incident. Bill was into the euphoric feeling of regaining consciousness and had to cover his tracks by fabricating the assault, which possibly lead to the phony notes. If someone were into the Choking Game, alone without help, he would probably improvise with inner-tubes and scarfs. Two things that troubled me were 1) were there any foot tracks in the snow that would've pointed to a murderer? 2) Captain seemed to push the idea that the heart attack could only happen by a brute force murder. I'm not a doctor but I think any method of strangulation could result in cardiac arrest. It's not as common as heroin deaths but dozens, if not hundreds, of kids have died from the Choking Game. I believe Bill Comeans was one of them.

    Fascinating case!

    Like Nic said, I have been going back and forth on this myself.

    I agree with Nic that the manner of death does not appear to be murder. If Bill were jumped he'd probably have facial injuries. It's not likely someone is going to use his scarf for some silent ninja assassination.

    Captain had a brilliant observation which explained the earlier choking incident. Bill was into the euphoric feeling of regaining consciousness and had to cover his tracks by fabricating the assault, which possibly lead to the phony notes. If someone were into the Choking Game, alone without help, he would probably improvise with inner-tubes and scarfs.

    Two things that troubled me were
    1) were there any foot tracks in the snow that would've pointed to a murderer?
    2) Captain seemed to push the idea that the heart attack could only happen by a brute force murder. I'm not a doctor but I think any method of strangulation could result in cardiac arrest.

    It's not as common as heroin deaths but dozens, if not hundreds, of kids have died from the Choking Game. I believe Bill Comeans was one of them.

  • Esteban

    Esteban south florida

    Was Bill at all mentally disabled? I feel like he may have been, from what I have read and heard. If so, I believe so much more of this case would make sense.

    Was Bill at all mentally disabled? I feel like he may have been, from what I have read and heard. If so, I believe so much more of this case would make sense.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Esteban, I have not seen that reported any where. I really don't believe that to be the case at all. Nic

    Esteban, I have not seen that reported any where. I really don't believe that to be the case at all.
    Nic

  • Todd

    Todd

    I think it was an accidental death. I possibly think he was staging these attacks. Did the police ever compare his known hanwriting to the early notes that he claims he received at school?

    I think it was an accidental death. I possibly think he was staging these attacks. Did the police ever compare his known hanwriting to the early notes that he claims he received at school?

  • Kaleb

    Kaleb M

    I think John brings up a good point about there being footsteps present. Also, the only thing throwing me off from the accidental death is the notes/letters. I find it very coincidental that notes were consistent from before his death and after. If he was setting this up to look like he was being bullied then it's just slightly odd to me that the 54 year old woman began writing notes similar to the ones Bill would have been writing. Great episode guys!

    I think John brings up a good point about there being footsteps present.

    Also, the only thing throwing me off from the accidental death is the notes/letters. I find it very coincidental that notes were consistent from before his death and after. If he was setting this up to look like he was being bullied then it's just slightly odd to me that the 54 year old woman began writing notes similar to the ones Bill would have been writing.

    Great episode guys!

  • Lindsey

    Lindsey San jose

    You guys blew me away with this one. Absolutely your best episode yet, so compelling and well-formatted. This is your sweet spot right here!! Thanks for the greatness. This case reminds me a bit of Cindy James', in a way. Great work dudes

    You guys blew me away with this one. Absolutely your best episode yet, so compelling and well-formatted. This is your sweet spot right here!! Thanks for the greatness.

    This case reminds me a bit of Cindy James', in a way.

    Great work dudes

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Notes and tracks in the snow.... Regarding the notes BC's handwriting was compared to notes he received at school. Publicly the detectives have not stated if they were a match. Regarding the threatening letter sent from Alaen Tope - these didn't show up until 6 months after BC death. The newspapers reported the notes BC received at school. I think she followed the story in the news and in the neighborhood and she mimicked some of the letters sent to BC. These letters caused real fear because they were so similar to the letters received by BC before death. Regarding the foot prints... Detectives complained that 30-40 people had trampled the scene before they arrived. This included police, EMT, family and others from the neighborhood. This is one of those really strange and fascinating cases but unless the police reveal everything they have I don't think this thing gets solved. As I said on the show there likely is not a murder here. Thanks and enjoy time with your family on this long weekend! Nic

    Notes and tracks in the snow....
    Regarding the notes BC's handwriting was compared to notes he received at school. Publicly the detectives have not stated if they were a match. Regarding the threatening letter sent from Alaen Tope - these didn't show up until 6 months after BC death. The newspapers reported the notes BC received at school. I think she followed the story in the news and in the neighborhood and she mimicked some of the letters sent to BC. These letters caused real fear because they were so similar to the letters received by BC before death.
    Regarding the foot prints... Detectives complained that 30-40 people had trampled the scene before they arrived. This included police, EMT, family and others from the neighborhood.
    This is one of those really strange and fascinating cases but unless the police reveal everything they have I don't think this thing gets solved. As I said on the show there likely is not a murder here.
    Thanks and enjoy time with your family on this long weekend!
    Nic

  • Tj

    Tj

    Why can't I play this episode? Only the comments come up, with no option to play. Also, I didn't see it on Google play, either.

    Why can't I play this episode? Only the comments come up, with no option to play. Also, I didn't see it on Google play, either.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hey TJ- I'm not sure. I apologize but hopefully it's just a temporary glitch. There seems to be no issues on our end. Good luck, Nic

    Hey TJ- I'm not sure. I apologize but hopefully it's just a temporary glitch. There seems to be no issues on our end. Good luck, Nic

  • Barbara

    Barbara Phoenix, Az

    It's so crazy you guys covered this case! I grew up in Lincoln Village (the neighborhood next to Bill's). My mom went to school with Bill's older brother and my aunt went to school with Bill. The house I grew up in (that my mom also grew up in) is right next to the woods where Bill was attacked the first time. It probably wasn't as strange as it seemed that Bill cut through the woods on his way home, especially if he was on his bike. That's where all the neighborhood kids played and rode their bikes. Sometimes, the school would have big piles of mulch behind it (near a path entrance) and we'd ride our bikes up and down the piles. It's just where you rode your bike. I read somewhere the route he took to get home from his friend's house and there is a way to cut through the woods without taking too much time or going too far out of your way. It's what I would've done. Anyways, thank you for covering this case! Love the podcast!

    It's so crazy you guys covered this case! I grew up in Lincoln Village (the neighborhood next to Bill's). My mom went to school with Bill's older brother and my aunt went to school with Bill. The house I grew up in (that my mom also grew up in) is right next to the woods where Bill was attacked the first time. It probably wasn't as strange as it seemed that Bill cut through the woods on his way home, especially if he was on his bike. That's where all the neighborhood kids played and rode their bikes. Sometimes, the school would have big piles of mulch behind it (near a path entrance) and we'd ride our bikes up and down the piles. It's just where you rode your bike. I read somewhere the route he took to get home from his friend's house and there is a way to cut through the woods without taking too much time or going too far out of your way. It's what I would've done.
    Anyways, thank you for covering this case! Love the podcast!

  • Riber

    Riber Silver Spring

    Was his handwriting ever compared to the notes received?

    Was his handwriting ever compared to the notes received?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Yes Riber it was but the police never shared their findings with the public. Nic

    Yes Riber it was but the police never shared their findings with the public.
    Nic

  • JohnZ

    JohnZ MI

    I loved the coverage you and the captain did on this cast. It is great to have no knowledge of a case and then being presented with all the facts. Being on the outside looking in, This seem very clear to me a case of accidental suicide. The "Passout" game was a big thing when i was growing up in the early 80's. Seems to me this young man took this game a bit to far on more then one time. I only wish that the police would give this family closure on this terrible lose. There are way to many things that point to accident and a boy telling lies to cover his tracks. Nic quick question here, Is it possible that the police have told the family they believe it to be an accident, and the family is just not willing to believe them? So to keep them from making a spectacle of this case they keep it open to appease the family? Keep up he great job guys

    I loved the coverage you and the captain did on this cast. It is great to have no knowledge of a case and then being presented with all the facts. Being on the outside looking in, This seem very clear to me a case of accidental suicide. The "Passout" game was a big thing when i was growing up in the early 80's. Seems to me this young man took this game a bit to far on more then one time. I only wish that the police would give this family closure on this terrible lose. There are way to many things that point to accident and a boy telling lies to cover his tracks.
    Nic quick question here, Is it possible that the police have told the family they believe it to be an accident, and the family is just not willing to believe them? So to keep them from making a spectacle of this case they keep it open to appease the family?
    Keep up he great job guys

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi JohnZ, Yes that's is correct. The police did tell the family it was an accident- may have said suicide which as I said on the show - I think is the totally wrong way to say it. I think once the threatening letters started up the police started to believe the family but ultimately that went nowhere toward finding a real suspect. Cheers, Nic

    Hi JohnZ,
    Yes that's is correct. The police did tell the family it was an accident- may have said suicide which as I said on the show - I think is the totally wrong way to say it. I think once the threatening letters started up the police started to believe the family but ultimately that went nowhere toward finding a real suspect.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Mark

    Mark Austin

    When I heard you say that the notes read "you have three months to live," I remembered my high school days, when the hazers would tell the 8th graders this at the end of the school year, prior to them becoming freshman. You would have three months of Summer before the hazing began. That is how I interpreted that.

    When I heard you say that the notes read "you have three months to live," I remembered my high school days, when the hazers would tell the 8th graders this at the end of the school year, prior to them becoming freshman. You would have three months of Summer before the hazing began. That is how I interpreted that.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Makes sense. Nic

    Makes sense.
    Nic

  • Barbara B.

    Barbara B.

    A very intriguing case that I had never heard of previously. Great episode and great podcast. Keep up the good work!

    A very intriguing case that I had never heard of previously. Great episode and great podcast. Keep up the good work!

  • Slaw

    Slaw Boston

    Two of older guys that were at Bill's school murdered a woman after Bill's death.Look up Gary Lee Trudell.

    Two of older guys that were at Bill's school murdered a woman after Bill's death.Look up Gary Lee Trudell.

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