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  • Bill

    Bill Victoria

    Please share the Emma fillipoff update. There is a ground campaign to raise money to search with a cadaver dog

    Please share the Emma fillipoff update. There is a ground campaign to raise money to search with a cadaver dog

  • Jen

    Jen Canada

    I feel like whenever a person goes missing or is murdered, and there is any history of drug use in their past or present, a lot of people immediately jump to the conclusion that drugs must have been involved. I grew up in the same sort of circles that Brianna seems to have, and I've seen plenty of shit go down. But I really don't buy the theory that she must have owed money to dealers and was therefore murdered. This just doesn't happen nearly as often as people think it does. If for some reason she had been allowed to rack up a big debt, which is unlikely, it far more possible that she would have been forced to 'work it off'. And I don't mean this in the usual 'sex trafficking ring' theory kind of way, more in that she would have been directly pimped out by her dealers. However, I don't believe this is the case because if she was together enough to hold down two jobs, then she seems unlikely to have been a hardcore crackhead or junkie. These people are not very good at employment. I also don't buy the theory that after leaving work, she decided to pull over in front of a creepy old house, tie off with a zip tie and get high. I've never heard of anyone ever using zip ties to tie off. You have to be able to untie once the drugs are in your system and zip ties don't come off that easily. As far as the idea that this group of people banded together, blocked the road and forced her out of her car...I don't see a motive. Fighting over a guy? That gives Keely LaCross a motive, but how many other people are going to be willing to participate based on that? A drug debt? Why would the dealers want to involve a bunch of other people? The idea that the lime wedge indicates that a party may have been happening in the farm house makes no sense. Who is going to be sitting in an abandoned house mixing drinks and cutting lime wedges? Did they bring little umbrellas too? Just my random thoughts. Great podcast.

    I feel like whenever a person goes missing or is murdered, and there is any history of drug use in their past or present, a lot of people immediately jump to the conclusion that drugs must have been involved. I grew up in the same sort of circles that Brianna seems to have, and I've seen plenty of shit go down. But I really don't buy the theory that she must have owed money to dealers and was therefore murdered. This just doesn't happen nearly as often as people think it does. If for some reason she had been allowed to rack up a big debt, which is unlikely, it far more possible that she would have been forced to 'work it off'. And I don't mean this in the usual 'sex trafficking ring' theory kind of way, more in that she would have been directly pimped out by her dealers. However, I don't believe this is the case because if she was together enough to hold down two jobs, then she seems unlikely to have been a hardcore crackhead or junkie. These people are not very good at employment.
    I also don't buy the theory that after leaving work, she decided to pull over in front of a creepy old house, tie off with a zip tie and get high. I've never heard of anyone ever using zip ties to tie off. You have to be able to untie once the drugs are in your system and zip ties don't come off that easily.
    As far as the idea that this group of people banded together, blocked the road and forced her out of her car...I don't see a motive. Fighting over a guy? That gives Keely LaCross a motive, but how many other people are going to be willing to participate based on that? A drug debt? Why would the dealers want to involve a bunch of other people?
    The idea that the lime wedge indicates that a party may have been happening in the farm house makes no sense. Who is going to be sitting in an abandoned house mixing drinks and cutting lime wedges? Did they bring little umbrellas too?
    Just my random thoughts. Great podcast.

  • Becky

    Becky Columbus, OH

    Thank you for covering this case. I lived in various towns in Northeastern and Central Vermont, as well as the Franconia area of New Hampshire, from 2003-2016. I've sometimes wondered if Brian Rooney, the man convicted of abducting and murdering UVM student Michelle Gardner-Quinn in Burlington, VT in October of 2006 could be ruled out definitively in either the Maura Murray or Brianna Maitland case. Admittedly, it seems like a very remote possibility, considering the far likelier drug connections in the Maitland case. Also, I wanted to share my experience on what it's like to live up there. The Captain's perspective on hitchhiking and 90 miles being a long distance is very similar to mine--I grew up in Central Ohio, too, and was shocked when I moved to Vermont that I had to drive so far to get anywhere. My family joked that it was a "Geographic Oddity" where we had to drive two hours just to get from one "large-ish" town to another. I knew many people who regularly commuted 40-60 miles one-way to work, and did that myself for some time. It is still fairly easy to get around the area hitchhiking, as well, and I would say, a little more common in Vermont than it is in Ohio. Because it's so rural, Vermont's public transit is very limited. My boyfriend used to hitch rides to work every day, and rarely hesitated to pick somebody up (this is NOT something we have in common!). I used to go on long walks and runs along the country roads, and motorists pulled over on multiple occasions to see if I needed a ride. It was also fairly common, in my experience, to see motorists stop to assist other drivers whose cars had spun out, or were disabled in some way, on the road. I think about this a lot when folks argue that Maura Murray would never have gotten into an unknown car, or been picked up by a stranger. I realize this is merely anecdotal and touches on relatively minor elements in the Maitland and Murray cases, but wanted to share a bit of the rural VT-NH experience. As always, it's a pleasure to listen and think along with you guys.

    Thank you for covering this case. I lived in various towns in Northeastern and Central Vermont, as well as the Franconia area of New Hampshire, from 2003-2016. I've sometimes wondered if Brian Rooney, the man convicted of abducting and murdering UVM student Michelle Gardner-Quinn in Burlington, VT in October of 2006 could be ruled out definitively in either the Maura Murray or Brianna Maitland case. Admittedly, it seems like a very remote possibility, considering the far likelier drug connections in the Maitland case. Also, I wanted to share my experience on what it's like to live up there. The Captain's perspective on hitchhiking and 90 miles being a long distance is very similar to mine--I grew up in Central Ohio, too, and was shocked when I moved to Vermont that I had to drive so far to get anywhere. My family joked that it was a "Geographic Oddity" where we had to drive two hours just to get from one "large-ish" town to another. I knew many people who regularly commuted 40-60 miles one-way to work, and did that myself for some time. It is still fairly easy to get around the area hitchhiking, as well, and I would say, a little more common in Vermont than it is in Ohio. Because it's so rural, Vermont's public transit is very limited. My boyfriend used to hitch rides to work every day, and rarely hesitated to pick somebody up (this is NOT something we have in common!). I used to go on long walks and runs along the country roads, and motorists pulled over on multiple occasions to see if I needed a ride. It was also fairly common, in my experience, to see motorists stop to assist other drivers whose cars had spun out, or were disabled in some way, on the road. I think about this a lot when folks argue that Maura Murray would never have gotten into an unknown car, or been picked up by a stranger. I realize this is merely anecdotal and touches on relatively minor elements in the Maitland and Murray cases, but wanted to share a bit of the rural VT-NH experience. As always, it's a pleasure to listen and think along with you guys.

  • Josh

    Josh Minnesota

    So my thoughts on the odd position of the car are thus. There was a dirt road across from the barn. I think she left work and thought someone was following her/chasing her. Probably the same person/paranoia that spooked her earlier that day. Anyway so she is driving away from work and guns it. The cuts the lights and turns down that dirt road to stop and hope the person drives past. But the person going past maybe notices and and stops their car and starts approaching her car. She throws it in reverse to GTFO and hits the barn going 25 or whatever. Had to be going at least a little fast to end up like that. So then she is either under the influence and paranoid and wanders off, or there really was someone chasing her, and this is where they got her. I agree on not giving the police to hard a time other than after the tow they have to call the owner. But that might be on the tow/impound, not the police themselves.

    So my thoughts on the odd position of the car are thus. There was a dirt road across from the barn. I think she left work and thought someone was following her/chasing her. Probably the same person/paranoia that spooked her earlier that day.

    Anyway so she is driving away from work and guns it. The cuts the lights and turns down that dirt road to stop and hope the person drives past. But the person going past maybe notices and and stops their car and starts approaching her car. She throws it in reverse to GTFO and hits the barn going 25 or whatever. Had to be going at least a little fast to end up like that.

    So then she is either under the influence and paranoid and wanders off, or there really was someone chasing her, and this is where they got her.

    I agree on not giving the police to hard a time other than after the tow they have to call the owner. But that might be on the tow/impound, not the police themselves.

  • L. Neely

    L. Neely Cali

    I feel it's related to her assault.

    I feel it's related to her assault.

  • Scott

    Scott Great state of Texas

    I believe she met with someone or perhaps someone got into her vehicle after she left the restaurant. Someone she knew. I believe that she and this unknown person parked the car at the barn, A fight ensued and in the process the car was knocked out of gear or perhaps she took it out of gear and the vehicle went backwards as she hit the extracellular in the scuffle causing the vehicle to hit the barn, You can plainly see that the vehicles tire in lifted a little bit so the tire can not make enough contact with the ground to make the vehicle go as that is the wheel that has the power to it since it is a rear wheel drive, I do believe it was probably a drug deal gone bad given her history, I do not know the girl so I may be off base when I say this . It would not surprise me if she sold drugs to supply her habit, I do believe that people have been killed for a lot less that $100 worth of pot, Dis she deserve NO by no means. Just a theory of mine that is all. I don't want it to seem like I am trashing the girl because I am not but it seems as though she hung around a pretty rough crowd. Oh and by the way it is not always easy for law enforcement to find a registered owner of a vehicle. Did the officer try real hard no but I am sure he has worked plenty of accident where people had left the scene because they were drunk or no insurance or other legal reasons. People move from the address on the registration, they have sold the vehicle and the person who bought it never registered the vehicle most people don't have land lines any more so you cant look them up in the phoe book, So you tow the vehicle and have tow company put a hold on the vehicle if the owner comes to pick it up. So the officer can investigate the accident since the barn was damaged. I am by no means being critical of the captain because Your show is probably my favorite. Keep up the good work. Scott

    I believe she met with someone or perhaps someone got into her vehicle after she left the restaurant. Someone she knew. I believe that she and this unknown person parked the car at the barn, A fight ensued and in the process the car was knocked out of gear or perhaps she took it out of gear and the vehicle went backwards as she hit the extracellular in the scuffle causing the vehicle to hit the barn, You can plainly see that the vehicles tire in lifted a little bit so the tire can not make enough contact with the ground to make the vehicle go as that is the wheel that has the power to it since it is a rear wheel drive, I do believe it was probably a drug deal gone bad given her history, I do not know the girl so I may be off base when I say this . It would not surprise me if she sold drugs to supply her habit, I do believe that people have been killed for a lot less that $100 worth of pot, Dis she deserve NO by no means. Just a theory of mine that is all. I don't want it to seem like I am trashing the girl because I am not but it seems as though she hung around a pretty rough crowd. Oh and by the way it is not always easy for law enforcement to find a registered owner of a vehicle. Did the officer try real hard no but I am sure he has worked plenty of accident where people had left the scene because they were drunk or no insurance or other legal reasons. People move from the address on the registration, they have sold the vehicle and the person who bought it never registered the vehicle most people don't have land lines any more so you cant look them up in the phoe book, So you tow the vehicle and have tow company put a hold on the vehicle if the owner comes to pick it up. So the officer can investigate the accident since the barn was damaged. I am by no means being critical of the captain because Your show is probably my favorite. Keep up the good work. Scott

  • Claire

    Claire Ireland

    The theory that she was in debt and drug dealers and they murdered her isn't a good one. Usually they wouldn't hide the body because in cases where someone owes dealers money they want the body to be found to 'send a message' to others not to cross them. The other thing is if she owed them loads of money it would make sense that they'd want her to pay it back, and that could involve extortion (making what is owed more and more, and possibly threatening to call into her place of work) or even forcing her to sell drugs to pay them off. I was tormented by some girls when I was in school. I remember running into them in the mall by accident one weekend and they scared the crap out of me. It's much more likely when her mother spoke about her being out of sorts in the mall carpark it was because she bumped into those girls in the mall... Is it at all possible that her car was put at the abandoned house after someone used it to dispose of her?. Did they use cadaver dogs on the car? I know it's a missing persons case, I'm just wondering if it's still possible if she's alive?.

    The theory that she was in debt and drug dealers and they murdered her isn't a good one. Usually they wouldn't hide the body because in cases where someone owes dealers money they want the body to be found to 'send a message' to others not to cross them. The other thing is if she owed them loads of money it would make sense that they'd want her to pay it back, and that could involve extortion (making what is owed more and more, and possibly threatening to call into her place of work) or even forcing her to sell drugs to pay them off.

    I was tormented by some girls when I was in school. I remember running into them in the mall by accident one weekend and they scared the crap out of me. It's much more likely when her mother spoke about her being out of sorts in the mall carpark it was because she bumped into those girls in the mall...

    Is it at all possible that her car was put at the abandoned house after someone used it to dispose of her?. Did they use cadaver dogs on the car? I know it's a missing persons case, I'm just wondering if it's still possible if she's alive?.

  • JC

    JC Raleigh

    What evidence is there that she ever left work? How close was her boss looked into for the disappearance? If she left at close around Midnight and only one or two employees can confirm this, whose to say she ever really left. Say she was told not to go to work because someone found out the manager that gave her the job was tired of her saying no. They're closing up shop together an accident happens, and the manager goes into cover up mode. The barn is not far away from work. Body is hidden in the kitchen, and the manager drives the car down the road to hide it behind the barn. In his rush he crashes the car trying to back around it. The manager then hikes back to work and takes the body away in his car. Who were the witnesses that saw her leave work? If it was only the boss or one other employee I have questions, if it was someone else, what did they see? Did they just see the car drive away and assume it was her or did they see her behind the wheel. Not to mention she could have forgotten something and come back to work. If she comes back and everyone but the boss is now gone, you now have opportunity.

    What evidence is there that she ever left work? How close was her boss looked into for the disappearance? If she left at close around Midnight and only one or two employees can confirm this, whose to say she ever really left. Say she was told not to go to work because someone found out the manager that gave her the job was tired of her saying no. They're closing up shop together an accident happens, and the manager goes into cover up mode. The barn is not far away from work. Body is hidden in the kitchen, and the manager drives the car down the road to hide it behind the barn. In his rush he crashes the car trying to back around it. The manager then hikes back to work and takes the body away in his car. Who were the witnesses that saw her leave work? If it was only the boss or one other employee I have questions, if it was someone else, what did they see? Did they just see the car drive away and assume it was her or did they see her behind the wheel. Not to mention she could have forgotten something and come back to work. If she comes back and everyone but the boss is now gone, you now have opportunity.

  • jody

    jody Missouri

    The scene with Brianna's car in the barn for this case, it could be the beginning to a Tarantino movie . After that scene, cut to Brianna getting ready for work... I would be interested in know if the tow truck driver could tell if the car was on the foundation, it really looks like it is in the photos. I also wonder if the PRND21 on the column/dash was working. I had a car once that the arrow didn't match the what the car was in. Could she or someone who was with her been parked, thought the car was in Park when it was actually in Reverse, revved the engine to get a little more heat sending the car into the barn?

    The scene with Brianna's car in the barn for this case, it could be the beginning to a Tarantino movie . After that scene, cut to Brianna getting ready for work...
    I would be interested in know if the tow truck driver could tell if the car was on the foundation, it really looks like it is in the photos. I also wonder if the PRND21 on the column/dash was working. I had a car once that the arrow didn't match the what the car was in. Could she or someone who was with her been parked, thought the car was in Park when it was actually in Reverse, revved the engine to get a little more heat sending the car into the barn?

  • Louise H

    Louise H Michigan

    I'm glad you guys covered this old case though there isn't much to go on. My impression is that this might be similar to the Rachel Burkheimer case . True Crime Daily has a good episode of that one on Youtube. In a nutshell, she was involved with people who were big druggies, they turned on her after thinking she was a snitch, and killed her. The idea that she encountered a killer on the road is just so remote, like you guys said. I hope they use the DNA evidence and make some progress or put the squeeze on certain people.

    I'm glad you guys covered this old case though there isn't much to go on. My impression is that this might be similar to the Rachel Burkheimer case . True Crime Daily has a good episode of that one on Youtube. In a nutshell, she was involved with people who were big druggies, they turned on her after thinking she was a snitch, and killed her. The idea that she encountered a killer on the road is just so remote, like you guys said. I hope they use the DNA evidence and make some progress or put the squeeze on certain people.

  • Jeff

    Jeff Georgia

    How do you propose the cop or the tow company get the contact number for the registered owner?

    How do you propose the cop or the tow company get the contact number for the registered owner?

  • Jeff

    Jeff Georgia

    Let's be clear, she absolutely wasn't a crackhead. Crackheads don't hold down 2 jobs. Doesn't mean she wasn't casually using any hard drugs, but not many casual users of crack. Her 2 jobs wouldn't support a crack habit anyway. Females have a much easier way of getting crack than money. It's an unfortunate reality. But she wasn't doing that either or she wouldn't have bothered with 1 job, much less 2.

    Let's be clear, she absolutely wasn't a crackhead. Crackheads don't hold down 2 jobs. Doesn't mean she wasn't casually using any hard drugs, but not many casual users of crack. Her 2 jobs wouldn't support a crack habit anyway. Females have a much easier way of getting crack than money. It's an unfortunate reality. But she wasn't doing that either or she wouldn't have bothered with 1 job, much less 2.

  • Spokane resident

    Spokane resident Spokane WA

    Hard to believe but we just had a murder in our city over a $20 meth drug deal

    Hard to believe but we just had a murder in our city over a $20 meth drug deal

  • Steph

    Steph Florida

    The pictures of the vehicle are intriguing. It seems a simple explanation would make the best sense. Maybe she crashed it herself accidentally and because it was cold and dark, she then caught a ride with a passerby who saw how alone she was, and how easy it would be to just snatch her and do whatever they wanted. A crime of opportunity.

    The pictures of the vehicle are intriguing. It seems a simple explanation would make the best sense. Maybe she crashed it herself accidentally and because it was cold and dark, she then caught a ride with a passerby who saw how alone she was, and how easy it would be to just snatch her and do whatever they wanted. A crime of opportunity.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    It's my understanding that it is the tow company's responsibility to notify the vehicle owner once they have possession of the vehicle. This would be a letter mailed to the vehicle owner's home. Police have more important things to do than track down an owner of a what most of the time is simply an abandoned vehicle. Cheers Nic

    It's my understanding that it is the tow company's responsibility to notify the vehicle owner once they have possession of the vehicle. This would be a letter mailed to the vehicle owner's home. Police have more important things to do than track down an owner of a what most of the time is simply an abandoned vehicle.
    Cheers Nic

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