Holly Branagan /// 236 /// 237


 

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  • Justin H

    Justin H Utah

    How is sean's friend not in one of the four possibilites. His boss wasn't just sean's boss, he was his friends, too. The common thread linking all three....it's a bingo!!!

    How is sean's friend not in one of the four possibilites. His boss wasn't just sean's boss, he was his friends, too. The common thread linking all three....it's a bingo!!!

  • JacieK

    JacieK Kansas

    Just a note on your discussion of whether the phone was continually off the hook. Once the "man" arrived at her house, she would have to go back and hang up the bedroom phone before being able to place a call to her father's office.

    Just a note on your discussion of whether the phone was continually off the hook. Once the "man" arrived at her house, she would have to go back and hang up the bedroom phone before being able to place a call to her father's office.

  • As I'm sitting here listening the 2nd time I'm wondering if anyone considered it could be another girl. Maybe that's why Holly was stabbed in the back, the person knew they couldn't over power her. Just a thought.

    As I'm sitting here listening the 2nd time I'm wondering if anyone considered it could be another girl. Maybe that's why Holly was stabbed in the back, the person knew they couldn't over power her. Just a thought.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Jacie K - yes we were thinking that but may not have been clear pointing it out. Also I was trying to think back to my childhood... I have not a landline in over 12 or 13 years, plus back then they may have operated somewhat different. I seem to recall you click the hang up twice or hold it down and do a reset of sorts - I recall this might have worked even if another phone was off of the hook. Also I should have pointed out... if she did take the time to walk around and hang up both phones - again to me that suggest that she is comfortable with whomever was in the house with her. Nic

    @ Jacie K - yes we were thinking that but may not have been clear pointing it out. Also I was trying to think back to my childhood...
    I have not a landline in over 12 or 13 years, plus back then they may have operated somewhat different. I seem to recall you click the hang up twice or hold it down and do a reset of sorts - I recall this might have worked even if another phone was off of the hook. Also I should have pointed out... if she did take the time to walk around and hang up both phones - again to me that suggest that she is comfortable with whomever was in the house with her.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    @ Anon - I agree - no sexual assault and the viciousness could strongly suggest a scorned female, maybe one time friend. However I think she would have for sure told her friend the girl’s name before saying she would have to call back. That’s why I don’t lean toward a girl yet the unwillingness of her peers to speak to police - helps your theory. Nic

    @ Anon - I agree - no sexual assault and the viciousness could strongly suggest a scorned female, maybe one time friend. However I think she would have for sure told her friend the girl’s name before saying she would have to call back. That’s why I don’t lean toward a girl yet the unwillingness of her peers to speak to police - helps your theory.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I was reviewing this case last night and something that occurred to me that I had not thought of.... the journal code of 30- maybe that is code for David E rather than George Wilson. Yes Wilson was 30 years old but check this. David played on the boys soccer team... Holly was the manager or staff of said soccer team, what if 30 was David’s jersey number# anyone got a year book from 77 or 78? Nic

    I was reviewing this case last night and something that occurred to me that I had not thought of.... the journal code of 30- maybe that is code for David E rather than George Wilson. Yes Wilson was 30 years old but check this. David played on the boys soccer team... Holly was the manager or staff of said soccer team, what if 30 was David’s jersey number# anyone got a year book from 77 or 78?
    Nic

  • Camden22

    Camden22 England - Kent

    I wondered if the killer altered the time on the clock and then deliberately broke it, in order to give themselves an alibi. It's a staple of whodunnits, so perhaps not so far-fetched. If so, then anyone behaving ostentatiously at around 5.20 would be a good suspect.

    I wondered if the killer altered the time on the clock and then deliberately broke it, in order to give themselves an alibi. It's a staple of whodunnits, so perhaps not so far-fetched. If so, then anyone behaving ostentatiously at around 5.20 would be a good suspect.

  • mG

    mG tX

    The fact that she was on the phone and went back to the phone to tell the person someone was there, makes me believe that she did not know the name of the person that was there, otherwise she would have said or given some description such as, "Joe" or the "mailman" is here. This tells me that the person doing the killing felt comfortable that she could go back to the phone, because he would not be connected to the crime. That makes the person a stranger or imposter of some kind. Lost to history. No rape, makes me believe some sort of psychopath just there to kill.

    The fact that she was on the phone and went back to the phone to tell the person someone was there, makes me believe that she did not know the name of the person that was there, otherwise she would have said or given some description such as, "Joe" or the "mailman" is here. This tells me that the person doing the killing felt comfortable that she could go back to the phone, because he would not be connected to the crime. That makes the person a stranger or imposter of some kind. Lost to history. No rape, makes me believe some sort of psychopath just there to kill.

  • Tara

    Tara ID

    I just wanted to answer a question that you brought up on the last episode. Nice states that the autopsy shows Holly had sex 3 days before her death and says he isn't sure how they know this. You can find sperm in the vaginal canal for up to 72 hours after sexual intercourse. During these hours, the sperm go through different stages (ie, they are dying) that are visible under a microscope. This is how they calculate the time. What's interesting about this, is that it means they had DNA from this person. 3 days after intercourse, it would have been degraded and not very useful at the time but now it could be. I'm a Forensic Scientist and would be happy to answer any questions that pop up :)

    I just wanted to answer a question that you brought up on the last episode. Nice states that the autopsy shows Holly had sex 3 days before her death and says he isn't sure how they know this. You can find sperm in the vaginal canal for up to 72 hours after sexual intercourse. During these hours, the sperm go through different stages (ie, they are dying) that are visible under a microscope. This is how they calculate the time. What's interesting about this, is that it means they had DNA from this person. 3 days after intercourse, it would have been degraded and not very useful at the time but now it could be.
    I'm a Forensic Scientist and would be happy to answer any questions that pop up smile

  • Nicole

    Nicole Miami, FL

    This is totally off-topic but I LOVE when The Captain says something hilarious and Nic's only reaction is a pause and "mmm hmmm".

    This is totally off-topic but I LOVE when The Captain says something hilarious and Nic's only reaction is a pause and "mmm hmmm".

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  • Jaims

    Jaims Easton Pa

    I think you guys missed two major points in this episode. The first one is that Atlantic city is only 3hrs from Bethlehem. Two, lehi university is almost ivy league it cost 50k a semester and just went up to 52k this year.

    I think you guys missed two major points in this episode. The first one is that Atlantic city is only 3hrs from Bethlehem. Two, lehi university is almost ivy league it cost 50k a semester and just went up to 52k this year.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Thank you Jaims- sorry I knew obviously not much about Lehigh. I went from the Detectives thoughts there but could have had more info to combat that better. Cheers Nic

    Thank you Jaims- sorry I knew obviously not much about Lehigh. I went from the Detectives thoughts there but could have had more info to combat that better.
    Cheers Nic

  • Bren

    Bren Quakertown, PA

    1-The podcast & reports indicated Holly was an average student, with "intentions" of attending Penn State University, and as stated by Jaims Lehigh U (I believe) is Ivy League with a high standard for qualifying students to attend (high SAT scores required even in the 70s). If Sean was already enrolled there, he had to meet the high standards of Lehigh, and this leads me to discount the "jealous brother" issue. 2-It was March, near end of winter, and likely dark outside by 6pm when Sally showed up. So if the murderer was "cleaning up" there would need to be lights on inside for that person to see, which would allow Sally to clearly see through sliding glass patio doors, whether she'd gone up the steps or not. So I think Sally knows more than we've been told, or more than she shared with police. 3-As Tara indicated, if the coroner collected sperm to determine that Holly had had intercourse 3 days before her murder, then there is DNA that can now be tested. The person to whom the DNA is linked may not have murdered her, but should be questioned. 4-Northampton College is a community college. While well respected in the area, being a professor there doesn't indicate Mr. Eltringham was even a full-time professor. (A dear friend of mine works full-time in corporate accounting/finance and teaches 2 courses at Lehigh Carbon Community College in the evenings.) In the end, Mr. Eltringham no matter his career choice or education level is still a human being with human frailties and emotions. If as the podcast hinted, he'd gone to talk sense into Holly (we don't know that he did) and she mouthed off, or refused to listen, his anger may have gotten the better of him. Just my thoughts.

    1-The podcast & reports indicated Holly was an average student, with "intentions" of attending Penn State University, and as stated by Jaims Lehigh U (I believe) is Ivy League with a high standard for qualifying students to attend (high SAT scores required even in the 70s). If Sean was already enrolled there, he had to meet the high standards of Lehigh, and this leads me to discount the "jealous brother" issue.
    2-It was March, near end of winter, and likely dark outside by 6pm when Sally showed up. So if the murderer was "cleaning up" there would need to be lights on inside for that person to see, which would allow Sally to clearly see through sliding glass patio doors, whether she'd gone up the steps or not. So I think Sally knows more than we've been told, or more than she shared with police.
    3-As Tara indicated, if the coroner collected sperm to determine that Holly had had intercourse 3 days before her murder, then there is DNA that can now be tested. The person to whom the DNA is linked may not have murdered her, but should be questioned.
    4-Northampton College is a community college. While well respected in the area, being a professor there doesn't indicate Mr. Eltringham was even a full-time professor. (A dear friend of mine works full-time in corporate accounting/finance and teaches 2 courses at Lehigh Carbon Community College in the evenings.) In the end, Mr. Eltringham no matter his career choice or education level is still a human being with human frailties and emotions. If as the podcast hinted, he'd gone to talk sense into Holly (we don't know that he did) and she mouthed off, or refused to listen, his anger may have gotten the better of him.
    Just my thoughts.

  • Sharon

    Sharon Atlanta

    A warm hello to Nic and the Captain! Thanks for such detailed and informative episodes you always give us. Great podcast! I am very curious about the Eltingham’s and was wondering if you could share where you found this information. The reason I ask is because I have done a lot of research on Holly’s case and have never come across this information. It took me by surprise so, of course, I go digging around for info on David and his father Sydney. David now lives in Cincinnati, Ohio. His dad as you mentioned is deceased. David has lived his whole life, going to college, getting married, raising children, etc, whereas Holly was denied all of this. To me Sydney fits the profile of the murderer. An angered volitile man who could not hold his fury at bay and took it out on the person who was the source of his fury. He had run-ins with the law prior to Holly’s murder. “Appears” to have been a very shady character behind his Professor glasses. If he did murder Holly bcz he erroneously thought she was pregnant by his son then how could David live with himself all these years knowing his dad killed Holly and not report it to the authorities? To let Holly’s father suffer the tremendous pain of the unknown is so heartless. If this is so, what a cold callous individual David is...like father like son. A great deal of pressure should have been placed on David then and now. The little bread crumbs the police give the public is so pathetic after 37 years of them getting no where in making an arrest and letting Holly rest In Peace. To me this is a very solvable case and was back when it happened. They should have taken that Judge through a judicial process since he apparently practiced unlawfully when protecting a group of friends and their children. Appears to be so many mis-steps and lack of assertiveness in this investigation. Do you know if the police today are questioning David and pressuring him at this moment, and his family? No one can keep a secret of this magnitude for 37 years. I’m sure if he knows something he has confided in his wife or someone very close. True Crime garage is the first I know of to secure this information on the Eltingham’s so GREAT work!

    A warm hello to Nic and the Captain! Thanks for such detailed and informative episodes you always give us. Great podcast! I am very curious about the Eltingham’s and was wondering if you could share where you found this information. The reason I ask is because I have done a lot of research on Holly’s case and have never come across this information. It took me by surprise so, of course, I go digging around for info on David and his father Sydney. David now lives in Cincinnati, Ohio. His dad as you mentioned is deceased. David has lived his whole life, going to college, getting married, raising children, etc, whereas Holly was denied all of this. To me Sydney fits the profile of the murderer. An angered volitile man who could not hold his fury at bay and took it out on the person who was the source of his fury. He had run-ins with the law prior to Holly’s murder. “Appears” to have been a very shady character behind his Professor glasses. If he did murder Holly bcz he erroneously thought she was pregnant by his son then how could David live with himself all these years knowing his dad killed Holly and not report it to the authorities? To let Holly’s father suffer the tremendous pain of the unknown is so heartless. If this is so, what a cold callous individual David is...like father like son. A great deal of pressure should have been placed on David then and now. The little bread crumbs the police give the public is so pathetic after 37 years of them getting no where in making an arrest and letting Holly rest In Peace. To me this is a very solvable case and was back when it happened. They should have taken that Judge through a judicial process since he apparently practiced unlawfully when protecting a group of friends and their children. Appears to be so many mis-steps and lack of assertiveness in this investigation. Do you know if the police today are questioning David and pressuring him at this moment, and his family? No one can keep a secret of this magnitude for 37 years. I’m sure if he knows something he has confided in his wife or someone very close. True Crime garage is the first I know of to secure this information on the Eltingham’s so GREAT work!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Sharon unfortunately I wish not to state the sources of that information and I'll go into way but please note the choice of the word, sources. I had three but to be fair in all cases this was second hand information coming from person who have spoke with or interviewed investigators working this case. Not the original investigators but some of the more recent detectives that worked this case. What interesting about that is that is this case fell to several different cold case detectives over the years and more than one found there to be enough evidence or maybe leads would be the better word to pursue an investigation. These investigations seem to be focused around S and D Eltingham. One of my sources did give a lengthy interview where he discusses this theory but I never spoke to him directly so I didn't include his name. One of my sources is an investigative journalist/ writer and he asked us to cover the case and supplied me with some info on two of the theories discussed. I'll reach out to him and ask if I can share his info. Cheers Nic

    Hi Sharon unfortunately I wish not to state the sources of that information and I'll go into way but please note the choice of the word, sources. I had three but to be fair in all cases this was second hand information coming from person who have spoke with or interviewed investigators working this case. Not the original investigators but some of the more recent detectives that worked this case. What interesting about that is that is this case fell to several different cold case detectives over the years and more than one found there to be enough evidence or maybe leads would be the better word to pursue an investigation. These investigations seem to be focused around S and D Eltingham. One of my sources did give a lengthy interview where he discusses this theory but I never spoke to him directly so I didn't include his name. One of my sources is an investigative journalist/ writer and he asked us to cover the case and supplied me with some info on two of the theories discussed. I'll reach out to him and ask if I can share his info.
    Cheers Nic

  • Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Singapore

    This was a great episode, so well researched! Has there been any thought to there being two attackers? Eg - David and his father? As there were three wounds which were not fatal and 15 fatal wounds, could this indicate two different murderers? Do you know if there is any DNA evidence? If not, it seems that unless someone says something this case will never be solved.

    This was a great episode, so well researched! Has there been any thought to there being two attackers? Eg - David and his father? As there were three wounds which were not fatal and 15 fatal wounds, could this indicate two different murderers? Do you know if there is any DNA evidence? If not, it seems that unless someone says something this case will never be solved.

  • Claire

    Claire Ireland

    Hey guys, great podcast. I used to work in a gas station... you can't light petrol with a direct flame or a mobile phone or static. I believe there was an episode of Mythbusters debunking this. But the fumes are highly flammable, so the whole shop would have to be filled with the smell/vapors of petrol for a spark to make it burst into flames. For example, you can weld shut with heat and flame a tank full of gas, but once it's empty and just the vapours are in there if you tried to weld it the whole thing would explode. To me the phone call to the Dad is the most telling. It makes me think it's a friend of the father's who was in the house pretending to look for him. I did think at first maybe she was checking to make sure her Dad wasn't coming home (if she was meeting an older man or sleeping with someone), but at that stage she still thought her brother would be home. The person who killed her knew her brother wasn't coming home, and also knew after the phone call her Dad was for sure not going to be back anytime soon.

    Hey guys, great podcast.

    I used to work in a gas station... you can't light petrol with a direct flame or a mobile phone or static. I believe there was an episode of Mythbusters debunking this. But the fumes are highly flammable, so the whole shop would have to be filled with the smell/vapors of petrol for a spark to make it burst into flames. For example, you can weld shut with heat and flame a tank full of gas, but once it's empty and just the vapours are in there if you tried to weld it the whole thing would explode.

    To me the phone call to the Dad is the most telling. It makes me think it's a friend of the father's who was in the house pretending to look for him. I did think at first maybe she was checking to make sure her Dad wasn't coming home (if she was meeting an older man or sleeping with someone), but at that stage she still thought her brother would be home. The person who killed her knew her brother wasn't coming home, and also knew after the phone call her Dad was for sure not going to be back anytime soon.

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    I agree Claire... The killer stayed long enough to "clean" up some of the scene. If he (and I use he based on the police theory) thought there was more of a threat of someone coming home he would have fled in a hurry. Instead either he knew he had time or had reason to believe so. - Nic

    I agree Claire... The killer stayed long enough to "clean" up some of the scene. If he (and I use he based on the police theory) thought there was more of a threat of someone coming home he would have fled in a hurry. Instead either he knew he had time or had reason to believe so.
    - Nic

  • Jim Friedman

    Jim Friedman Philadelphia

    Thank you for sharing this case

    Thank you for sharing this case

  • Cindy

    Cindy York, PA

    I thought Cindy, not Sally, was the friend picking Holly up for pizza???

    I thought Cindy, not Sally, was the friend picking Holly up for pizza???

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    Alia Montreal

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