Disappearance of William Tyrrell /// 202 /// 203

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  • Uniquelee
    Uniquelee Oregon
    Totally reminds me of missing 411. I think there is something it......

    Totally reminds me of missing 411. I think there is something it......

  • Jimbo Slice
    Jimbo Slice H-Town
    The last three episodes are coming in distorted through Stitcher

    The last three episodes are coming in distorted through Stitcher

  • Kitty
    Kitty Somewhere
    Your audio on stitcher still sounds like you’re recording in a tin can.

    Your audio on stitcher still sounds like you’re recording in a tin can.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Michigan
    So as a foster parent we are protected! We do a very hard job and need to be kept safe!

    So as a foster parent we are protected! We do a very hard job and need to be kept safe!

  • Chris
    Chris
    John Lordan did an episode on him two years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEw2bgukFA I don't recall any details on this one but the Missing 411 parallels are almost never mentioned in comparison with people theorizing on a single perp or unsub, like a family member, which is often unintentional misdirection I've read the first three books in the 411 series, and for anybody that hasn't, you owe it to yourself if you are to ever have any hope of understanding some of these baffling cases As far as US cases are concerned, at minimum the FBI has a large database of 'unsolveable' disappearances, the details of which we are not privy to, such as the Stacy Ann Arras case. They know damn well (even some agents, one of whom committed suicide after investigating some of these cases) that there's an untouchable group or force of some sort, especially in the national parks, that is systematically taking people for as yet unknown reasons, and they aren't letting the public know, a crime in and of itself.

    John Lordan did an episode on him two years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEw2bgukFA

    I don't recall any details on this one but the Missing 411 parallels are almost never mentioned in comparison with people theorizing on a single perp or unsub, like a family member, which is often unintentional misdirection

    I've read the first three books in the 411 series, and for anybody that hasn't, you owe it to yourself if you are to ever have any hope of understanding some of these baffling cases

    As far as US cases are concerned, at minimum the FBI has a large database of 'unsolveable' disappearances, the details of which we are not privy to, such as the Stacy Ann Arras case. They know damn well (even some agents, one of whom committed suicide after investigating some of these cases) that there's an untouchable group or force of some sort, especially in the national parks, that is systematically taking people for as yet unknown reasons, and they aren't letting the public know, a crime in and of itself.

  • Christina
    Christina Rhode Island
    I think that if he was abducted, whoever took him had been watching that house and yard for a while. I do think it was a crime of oppurtunity, but I don’t think it was in the sense that someone drove by, saw a kid alone, and just got out of the car and grabbed him. If the person didn’t know that the sister was preoccupied, the mother and grandmother were the only people inside, and that they were sitting somewhere William was not visible to them, I don’t think he would have done it. A random passerby would probably assume that an adult was somewhere inside, keeping an eye on a young child. Maybe they were getting up periodically to check on him, or sitting somewhere within the home where they were able to watch him. They wouldn’t know who else might be in a different part of the yard, ready to come around the corner at any moment. In my opinion, it would have to be someone who lived in the neighborhood or was staying somewhere in the neighborhood. Basically what I’m saying is that to take advantage of the situation, you would have to know what the situation actually was, and some random person wouldn’t have.

    I think that if he was abducted, whoever took him had been watching that house and yard for a while. I do think it was a crime of oppurtunity, but I don’t think it was in the sense that someone drove by, saw a kid alone, and just got out of the car and grabbed him. If the person didn’t know that the sister was preoccupied, the mother and grandmother were the only people inside, and that they were sitting somewhere William was not visible to them, I don’t think he would have done it. A random passerby would probably assume that an adult was somewhere inside, keeping an eye on a young child. Maybe they were getting up periodically to check on him, or sitting somewhere within the home where they were able to watch him. They wouldn’t know who else might be in a different part of the yard, ready to come around the corner at any moment. In my opinion, it would have to be someone who lived in the neighborhood or was staying somewhere in the neighborhood. Basically what I’m saying is that to take advantage of the situation, you would have to know what the situation actually was, and some random person wouldn’t have.

  • Jenny
    Jenny Kentucky
    This is absolutely heartbreaking. What a beautiful little boy.

    This is absolutely heartbreaking. What a beautiful little boy.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    For some reason the audio on Stitcher continues to be an issue. I apologize and I beg you to hang in there. Other platforms are not experiencing this issue and we have not changed how we do things here in the garage. So it's a mystery but the issue is on the Stitcher side of things. The Captain has been working with them to correct this. Thanks for the continued support. Cheers Nic

    For some reason the audio on Stitcher continues to be an issue. I apologize and I beg you to hang in there. Other platforms are not experiencing this issue and we have not changed how we do things here in the garage. So it's a mystery but the issue is on the Stitcher side of things. The Captain has been working with them to correct this. Thanks for the continued support.
    Cheers Nic

  • Dr.Rob
    Dr.Rob Centennial CO
    Dingoes didn't take that baby.

    Dingoes didn't take that baby.

  • Bonnie
    Bonnie Reno
    When my son was young (at the time of Adam Walsh) I would have thought abduction immediately. I don’t think that is unusual.

    When my son was young (at the time of Adam Walsh) I would have thought abduction immediately. I don’t think that is unusual.

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Illinois
    Only half way through Part 2 but something in the interview put me on alert. The foster mother changes tense when answering what happened when she first realized he was missing. She switches from past tense, “I was in the kitchen”, to present tense, “I’m standing in the backyard, I look out and he’s not there.” This is a pretty classic way to tell if someone is lying. If you search on YouTube there are some videos of people telling 3 stories, one of which is a lie, and the lie is almost always told in inconsistent tense. Another suspicious example is Jay Wilds: In his interview with the intercept he switches to present tense whenever he’s describing experiences that he’s lied about time and time again.

    Only half way through
    Part 2 but something in the interview put me on alert. The foster mother changes tense when answering what happened when she first realized he was missing. She switches from past tense, “I was in the kitchen”, to present tense, “I’m standing in the backyard, I look out and he’s not there.” This is a pretty classic way to tell if someone is lying. If you search on YouTube there are some videos of people telling 3 stories, one of which is a lie, and the lie is almost always told in inconsistent tense.
    Another suspicious example is Jay Wilds: In his interview with the intercept he switches to present tense whenever he’s describing experiences that he’s lied about time and time again.

  • Emily
    Emily California
    A disappearance of anyone is disturbing but one of a child is way beyond disturbing. Soul crushing. Poor baby!

    A disappearance of anyone is disturbing but one of a child is way beyond disturbing. Soul crushing. Poor baby!

  • Bethany
    Bethany Louisiana
    Disturbing. I must look into Missing 411. There is something similar going on in my area right now. A 4 year old has been missing for 3-4 weeks. Disappeared from a remote area. If local LE/FBI have any leads, they aren’t sharing,

    Disturbing. I must look into Missing 411. There is something similar going on in my area right now. A 4 year old has been missing for 3-4 weeks. Disappeared from a remote area. If local LE/FBI have any leads, they aren’t sharing,

  • Erin
    Erin Ohio
    I love you guys and your podcast but I did find this episode SUPER uneventful. It was entirely based on speculation and theories and zero evidence. I think a better topic with more twists and turns, or even a shred of evidence could have been chosen personally.

    I love you guys and your podcast but I did find this episode SUPER uneventful. It was entirely based on speculation and theories and zero evidence. I think a better topic with more twists and turns, or even a shred of evidence could have been chosen personally.

  • Kelly
    Kelly California
    Yeah, I'm side-eyeing the foster parents, seems like the chances a random would come upon the kid at just the right time are very, very low. The washing machine guy has higher chances of being the abductor but still seems pretty flimsy.

    Yeah, I'm side-eyeing the foster parents, seems like the chances a random would come upon the kid at just the right time are very, very low. The washing machine guy has higher chances of being the abductor but still seems pretty flimsy.

  • Melissa
    Melissa MN
    Great coverage on this case, as with all cases. I'm praying for you guys. It wears on us listeners just hearing about it, I can't imagine the toll researching and reporting on these tough cases takes on you guys.

    Great coverage on this case, as with all cases. I'm praying for you guys. It wears on us listeners just hearing about it, I can't imagine the toll researching and reporting on these tough cases takes on you guys.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous
    [quote=Erin] I love you guys and your podcast but I did find this episode SUPER uneventful. It was entirely based on speculation and theories and zero evidence. I think a better topic with more twists and turns, or even a shred of evidence could have been chosen personally. [/quote] I agree - this should have been one episode. But I love TCG and will keep supporting you guys!

    Erin wrote:

    I love you guys and your podcast but I did find this episode SUPER uneventful. It was entirely based on speculation and theories and zero evidence. I think a better topic with more twists and turns, or even a shred of evidence could have been chosen personally.

    I agree - this should have been one episode.
    But I love TCG and will keep supporting you guys!

  • Carisa
    Carisa Milford CT
    This is both terrifying and heartbreaking....my son is the same age. This is every parent’s absolute worst nightmare

    This is both terrifying and heartbreaking....my son is the same age. This is every parent’s absolute worst nightmare

  • Lizbeth
    Lizbeth New Jersey
    [quote=Bonnie] When my son was young (at the time of Adam Walsh) I would have thought abduction immediately. I don’t think that is unusual. [/quote] I have to agree with Bonnie, Im 25 and when ever I get a voicemail from my mother her first assumption is " I'm kidnapped in a basement" when i don't answer her phone calls. Also, big fan of you guys Im constantly raving to my friends to listen to you guys. But sadly this one isnt up to par starting to miss the old TCG like i miss the old Kanye.

    Bonnie wrote:

    When my son was young (at the time of Adam Walsh) I would have thought abduction immediately. I don’t think that is unusual.

    I have to agree with Bonnie, Im 25 and when ever I get a voicemail from my mother her first assumption is " I'm kidnapped in a basement" when i don't answer her phone calls.
    Also, big fan of you guys Im constantly raving to my friends to listen to you guys. But sadly this one isnt up to par starting to miss the old TCG like i miss the old Kanye.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Parts Unknown
    I’m about halfway through and this is an incredibly sad story, I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to not have any answers. I also just wanted to mention that I’m a foster parent and our info is protected, as it should be! When children are placed out of their home and away from their bio family emotions run very high.

    I’m about halfway through and this is an incredibly sad story, I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to not have any answers. I also just wanted to mention that I’m a foster parent and our info is protected, as it should be! When children are placed out of their home and away from their bio family emotions run very high.

  • Robyn
    Robyn St. Louis area
    LOVE the intro music on this episode!

    LOVE the intro music on this episode!

  • Mel
    Mel Australia
    Hi all, just a heads up from Australia, the police have started a four week forensic search of the forest adjacent to the house where William was last seen. This is the area that was searched when William was first missing. I for one am really glad that this is happening. That bushland is really thick, and the lantana is very dense. I lived in a similar area as a child. The lantana was a great place to hide, but if you got into the middle of a big bush it was super claustrophobic- the sunlight couldn't make it through the leaves, it was all dark. Lantana is sticky and smelly as well. There was a child in Australia years ago who was lost in the bush (not dense bush like at Kendall) and was found alive 3 days later. He had heard people calling him for all three days- but didn't answer until he heard a voice he knew. There was another child recently, 3 years old, who was missing overnight. Was found alive and well the next day 5 km from the campsite he disappeared from. The search for William was 3 1/2 km from the house. He could, possibly, have gotten lost, and not been found. Worth another look anyway.

    Hi all, just a heads up from Australia, the police have started a four week forensic search of the forest adjacent to the house where
    William was last seen. This is the area that was searched when William was first missing. I for one am really glad that this is happening. That bushland is really thick, and the lantana is very dense. I lived in a similar area as a child. The lantana was a great place to hide, but if you got into the middle of a big bush it was super claustrophobic- the sunlight couldn't make it through the leaves, it was all dark. Lantana is sticky and smelly as well. There was a child in Australia years ago who was lost in the bush (not dense bush like at Kendall) and was found alive 3 days later. He had heard people calling him for all three days- but didn't answer until he heard a voice he knew. There was another child recently, 3 years old, who was missing overnight. Was found alive and well the next day 5 km from the campsite he disappeared from. The search for William was 3 1/2 km from the house. He could, possibly, have gotten lost, and not been found. Worth another look anyway.

  • Katy
    Katy Australia
    Just following up from Mel’s comment, they are beginning a coronial inquest into the disappearance which is why they are doing the search. Police are actually confirming there is no forensic evidence he entered the bushland. The coronial inquest should be good for new leads in this case, they are able to interview suspects on the record under oath and it puts them in front of parents. It’s ultimately how Daniel Morcombe’s killer was found after over a decade. That would be an interesting case to cover, another one where the “King pin” tactic was used effectively by police. Love what you guys do 😊

    Just following up from Mel’s comment, they are beginning a coronial inquest into the disappearance which is why they are doing the search. Police are actually confirming there is no forensic evidence he entered the bushland.
    The coronial inquest should be good for new leads in this case, they are able to interview suspects on the record under oath and it puts them in front of parents.
    It’s ultimately how Daniel Morcombe’s killer was found after over a decade. That would be an interesting case to cover, another one where the “King pin” tactic was used effectively by police.
    Love what you guys do 😊

  • CraftyCanuck
    CraftyCanuck Saskatchewan
    Half way through the second episode, and the reason I am wondering about the foster parents, is the mom's 000 call. When our son went missing, I was a basket case on the 911 call! That was 15 years ago, and to this day I say I do not know how that operator understood anything I said!

    Half way through the second episode, and the reason I am wondering about the foster parents, is the mom's 000 call.
    When our son went missing, I was a basket case on the 911 call! That was 15 years ago, and to this day I say I do not know how that operator understood anything I said!

  • NicC
    NicC UK
    I listened to these podcasts today. I’m not sure why you both decided that the foster parents are completely uninvolved. Everything from the emergency services call (she was WAY too calm and unaffected, she almost seemed disconnected from the child, like it wasn’t important and she was just going through the motions) to their interview clips (she seemed whiny and was almost coming across like she believed she and her husband are the victims. Also they seemed dispassionate again a lot of the time), to the way this went down just screams to me that they had some involvement with this. They were certainly quick to try to point the police in different directions. If the repair man was local, it would be reasonable to assume that his neighbours may well know of his alleged history and it’s likely that the grandmother might have mentioned it to her daughter...maybe he seemed like a good and convenient scapegoat to the daughter and her husband. I know you say that for them to have been involved then the grandmother would have to be covering up too, but that’s not necessarily the case. The father had gone out, all the foster mother had to do was suggest to her mother that they step inside for a cup of tea and a catch up, thus allowing the foster father opportunity to slip back and tell William to hop in the truck. The grandmother then knows nothing at all but is able to corroborate her story, thus removing her as a suspect. Or he goes off in the truck, parks up, hikes back a way through the brush until he sees William and then lifts him over the fence, carries him to the truck and kills him, dumping his body somewhere remote on the way to the town to make his highly convenient phone call. The call that allowed him his alibi and ruled him out as a suspect I just think it’s possible they didn’t want William any more but they didn’t want to give up the sister. If they tried to stop fostering William then they would have had to hand the daughter back too. Maybe William is acting up, wetting the bed, being disruptive within the family, maybe he has problems from his biological mothers potential drug use etc etc. The solution is to remove William from the equation by a mystery abduction which as they both can provide alibi’s would leave them with the child they did actually want. My gut was telling me all through both episodes that they are responsible for this little boy vanishing into thin air within minutes. Maybe I’m reading it wrong or I’ve listened to too many podcasts where disgusting excuses for parents have done awful things to the children they are supposed to love and protect, but I honestly in my heart feel they were behind his disappearance

    I listened to these podcasts today. I’m not sure why you both decided that the foster parents are completely uninvolved. Everything from the emergency services call (she was WAY too calm and unaffected, she almost seemed disconnected from the child, like it wasn’t important and she was just going through the motions) to their interview clips (she seemed whiny and was almost coming across like she believed she and her husband are the victims. Also they seemed dispassionate again a lot of the time), to the way this went down just screams to me that they had some involvement with this. They were certainly quick to try to point the police in different directions. If the repair man was local, it would be reasonable to assume that his neighbours may well know of his alleged history and it’s likely that the grandmother might have mentioned it to her daughter...maybe he seemed like a good and convenient scapegoat to the daughter and her husband.

    I know you say that for them to have been involved then the grandmother would have to be covering up too, but that’s not necessarily the case. The father had gone out, all the foster mother had to do was suggest to her mother that they step inside for a cup of tea and a catch up, thus allowing the foster father opportunity to slip back and tell William to hop in the truck. The grandmother then knows nothing at all but is able to corroborate her story, thus removing her as a suspect. Or he goes off in the truck, parks up, hikes back a way through the brush until he sees William and then lifts him over the fence, carries him to the truck and kills him, dumping his body somewhere remote on the way to the town to make his highly convenient phone call. The call that allowed him his alibi and ruled him out as a suspect

    I just think it’s possible they didn’t want William any more but they didn’t want to give up the sister. If they tried to stop fostering William then they would have had to hand the daughter back too. Maybe William is acting up, wetting the bed, being disruptive within the family, maybe he has problems from his biological mothers potential drug use etc etc. The solution is to remove William from the equation by a mystery abduction which as they both can provide alibi’s would leave them with the child they did actually want.

    My gut was telling me all through both episodes that they are responsible for this little boy vanishing into thin air within minutes. Maybe I’m reading it wrong or I’ve listened to too many podcasts where disgusting excuses for parents have done awful things to the children they are supposed to love and protect, but I honestly in my heart feel they were behind his disappearance

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